NAB13- RED MOTION MOUNT

[Mark Toia]

I'm very keen to trial this new mount... Especially for its ND capability.

Im also keen to know if there will be a CANON version.

If I can loose front lens ND's, I'd be a happy happy boy.

This product I think and the Dragon sensor are fantastic announcements.

 

[Paul Slemmer]

The mechanism is completely encased in the interchangeable mount, so it should work with any DSMC.

 

[Phil Holland]

@Mark - A Canon EF mount is in the works.

 

[Paul Slemmer]

These are all assumptions based on the filter being similar to the Tessive filter:

1. You will still get shutter skew if you want 360 degree shutter. EG the filter needs to be completely black for a chunk of time (depending on sensor read-reset). This chunk of time may need to be quite a large proportion of the frame when you start getting to high fps.

2. It may (I'm not sure) act as a permanent polarizing filter. Polarizing filters aren't always desirable (affects skies when panning, affects the specular vs diffuse vs subsurface reflections of the human face)

3. If it's like the Tessive filter, it filters IR. Of course, 99% of the time you want IR filtered out, so that's good.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

The guys at the booth said they were still running experiments on the optical properties but that it could indeed create polarization and IR effects.

 

[Nick Morrison]

This product I think and the Dragon sensor are fantastic announcements.

Wait, no mention of the proxy module?!?!

It's probably your false modesty. I think it's safe to say your strong support for a module was a factor in RED's rollout of the "jule box".

 

[Florian Stadler]

Nice one! Kudos.

 

[Paul Slemmer]

I looked at the motion mount today. The rolling shutter effect from flashes and strobes appeared to be gone. ND worked well. The skew effect was still present. Skew was never as much of an issue with me as flash but for some people it may be important to know. The impression I got was that they were still working on things. That's what I observed.

I definitely observed this skew as well. I was also told that they were working out kinks and that what they had on the floor was a "prototype". But it doesn't make any sense. Unless the mount scans as well (which would be bizarre), there should be no skew. The only thing I can think of is that the monitor itself has a readout delay, creating an apparent skew only on the display. Any other thoughts?

 

[Zach Gray]

The only thing I can think of is that the monitor itself has a readout delay, creating an apparent skew only on the display.

That's a reality with displays. If you dig, there is some good discussion by Michael Abrash, regarding display latency and the burgeoning VR field. http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/abrash/

Based on my reading, your guess is the most plausible explanation.

 

[Jean Guerra]

i just did an action short with the Epic, and while shooting some rifles shooting i notice that the muzzle flashes "some" came up like half, i did not get the full muzzle fire in some shots...because of the shutter angle....will this mount fix this problem?

 

[Wayne Morellini]

It does great things and definitely to be thankful, but it is an older idea, as mike showed, why are some so excited about this? It is something that could be standard. It is not something best at show or even makes NAB great this year. A redray projector (where is the player, I'd rather have the laser cheaper two years ago by itself with display port (and 8k) or a Dragon based Scarlet, digital or other based camera, that would make it great.

I don't care if it is something that can only do 2sqm on a special screen inside, can we please have a cheap cheap 4k laser now Red?

 

[ericyoung]

This is an important one.

The RED MOTION mount not only incorporates an integrated 8x Electronic ND filter in adjustable 1/100 stop granularity, but also overtakes the sensors timing to give you a true global shutter. All integrated and controlled by the camera UI. Eliminates Shutter Judder and defeats temporal aliasing.

You really need to come by the booth and see this one working.

$4500. Shipping Fall.

I'm guessing there's absolutely no way of making this User or Factory retrofittable to existing DSMC mounts we already own, to make it cheaper? Even if it would only be for the PL mount, it would help save some money

 

[James McLellan]

i just did an action short with the Epic, and while shooting some rifles shooting i notice that the muzzle flashes "some" came up like half, i did not get the full muzzle fire in some shots...because of the shutter angle....will this mount fix this problem?

The answer is yes. This problem will be fixed by the mount.

 

[Bruce Allen]

The answer is yes. This problem will be fixed by the mount.

Perhaps not totally?

Look here:
http://tessive.com/uncontrolledstrobes

You can still see a little bit of the half-frame strobe effect - even with the Tessive 180 and Tessive B filter modes.

My guess would be that the electronic ND is not quite strong enough?

Or maybe need to just think about the math of this in my head a bit more.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

 

[Christopher Probst]

[SUP]The next question affecting the use of this technology is, Is there any difference in the read/reset timing of the Dragon sensor compared to the MX? I hope that gains have been made there as well, that would have Dragon owners sitting in a pretty good sweet spot of options.[/SUP]

 

[ericyoung]

Perhaps not totally?

Look here:
http://tessive.com/uncontrolledstrobes

You can still see a little bit of the half-frame strobe effect - even with the Tessive 180 and Tessive B filter modes.

My guess would be that the electronic ND is not quite strong enough?

Or maybe need to just think about the math of this in my head a bit more.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

It's because the LCD based ND can't be 100% opaque, so some partial illumination effect still happens - it's obviously hugely improved even so.

 

[Rob Anderson]

of course...

And a Nikon version? Eventually?

 

[Ivan Kovax]

I had a look at tessive's website... the examples they gave regarding judder on horizontal panning are really quite dramatic... If we can shoot at full rates in slow motion, i think this is really going to be a special addition to one's artillery.

 

[ericyoung]

Sounds just great.

Electronic ND -- I thought in the past why not using a LCD-screen like element to do that, which would allow to have a gradient like option on a push of a button. Furthermore, to paint perhaps an organic gradient with your 5" touch screen, to overcome difficult light situations. Am I too far off? ;o)

Anyway, amazing work. Congratulations.

Dr Sassi - I think this would be an excellent idea to implement! Built in adjustable ND Grads!! :smile:

Potentially even rotatable?

All depends how addressable the LCD layer is.

 

[pierre baboin]

and maybe with color inside (85 filter, 80 filter, etc.) and filter effect, like black pro mist. The LCD can be clear with many small black mark, or a trame, etc.

 

[Vico Martin]

The question for me is if the real resolution is affected

a optical clear LCD is possible?