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Mark Toia + Helium

Mark,
your noise comparison footage at 2000 ISO is pretty impressive.

But I'm curious about one thing : how does 6K Dragon and 6K Helium shots compare, noise wise in low light conditions ?

For instance if you shoot both sensors at the same resolution and ISO (2000 ISO fro instance), do you still notice a major improvement in noise ? Or is it mainly the 8K oversampling that helps getting a cleaner image at high ISO ?

Thanks :)
 
One thing I have noticed working with the SCARLET-W (DSMC2) is the new camera bodies handle noise better than the original DSMC. I assume the new camera body + new sensor + 8k would makea a huge difference
 
Nils Ruinet said:
Mark,
your noise comparison footage at 2000 ISO is pretty impressive.

But I'm curious about one thing : how does 6K Dragon and 6K Helium shots compare, noise wise in low light conditions ?

For instance if you shoot both sensors at the same resolution and ISO (2000 ISO fro instance), do you still notice a major improvement in noise ? Or is it mainly the 8K oversampling that helps getting a cleaner image at high ISO ?

Thanks :)
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Bear in mind Mark was comparing Epic Dragon to Weapon Helium for noise, not Weapon Dragon to Weapon Helium...and all DSMC2 cameras seem to handle noise better.

That said - yes, Helium appears better in lowlight regardless.
 
I was surprised I was able to use stuff at 2500iso and even 3200iso when I first got my SW. really blew my mind..
 
As I was so very impressed by your images Mark, I was equally impressed by your words. Really well done.....

Cheers mate
 
Nils Ruinet said:
Mark,
your noise comparison footage at 2000 ISO is pretty impressive.

But I'm curious about one thing : how does 6K Dragon and 6K Helium shots compare, noise wise in low light conditions ?

For instance if you shoot both sensors at the same resolution and ISO (2000 ISO fro instance), do you still notice a major improvement in noise ? Or is it mainly the 8K oversampling that helps getting a cleaner image at high ISO ?

Thanks :)
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Yes...
6k Weapon is better at 2000 ISO that 6k Dragon... Helium @6k is the same as 6k Weapon. but !... A cropped sensor.
 
Mark Toia said:
Yes...
6k Weapon is better at 2000 ISO that 6k Dragon... Helium @6k is the same as 6k Weapon. but !... A cropped sensor.
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Right, so what you're saying is that shooting the higher resolution = smaller grain/noise. Still, good to hear that the performance is there if you know you could be shooting in a scenario that would normally yield noisy footage.
 
Toia! Mate, this little "test footy shot over some broken days and cut on an airplane" is basically doing to me what the Milk ladies (for those of you who remember) did for me on RED 1. I am still hunting some R3ds to play with, if you could post anything from your shoot I would greatly appreciate. I am not interested to repost and pixel peep, just trying to get a hang of the 8k workflow on my current setups. Thanks again and nice work, very inspiring.
 
Hello Mark

Let me get this righ.. what you're saying is that weapon dragon and helium are the same in terms of noise?
 
helium benefits from downsampling and smaller grain
 
Mark Toia said:
Cheers Peter.
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Mark, this was a really well edited and filmed piece. I especially like hearing your thoughts about what it all "means". Very inspiring!
Just curious, how does the noise compare to Epic MX sensor? With Mx I try to avoid going up higher than 1600 IS. Am I right in assuming that this would look roughly similar to Helium 3200 ISO?

Best wishes,

Andreas
 
Mark, thanks for sharing.

May I ask, how much do you sharpen? Are you using unsharp mask and/or high pass sharpen?

Cheers-

Chris
 
Marek Mysicke said:
Hello Mark

Let me get this righ.. what you're saying is that weapon dragon and helium are the same in terms of noise?
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What Mark is mentioning is that being cropped into 6K Helium VS full-frame 6K Weapon Dragon - you can expect similar noise patterns. When expanded out to 8K FOV - you're looking at smaller grain structure, which balances out the ability to vastly bump your ISO. Though, I still do believe the new sensor has other tricks alongside what is assumed. If you look at nearly tests of the white Helium set that made it's way out, and the comparison to Dragon cameras - the Helium looks gorgeous and creamy in comparison. Almost like a veil was lifted on all the colors that reside in-between. I'm not sure if this was merely different color science interpretation, the expanded pixels, or just a better sensor all around.
 
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