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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

MARK... Meet your new roommate...

Go for Gibby!
 
Jannard said:
Let's see what happens next.

Jim
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That´s all it takes for my heart to make an extra "Thump!"

I just opened my case with my first R1 MX - ha d to take a deep look at it and remember back when I was waiting for it as hard and as long as I am now waiting for Epic.... Come february, come march, come April, come to me Epic!
 
Machining an EPIC shouldn't take more than 2 days. I'm assuming RED has a pretty decent CNC mill that has automatic tool changes and decent travel speed. I'd guess that the most time consuming part is swapping out the aluminum blocks after the pieces are cut out.

Installing all the electronics on the other hand could be very time consuming. I'm guessing that all the EPIC-M's go through some pretty rigorous QA testing too.
 
Zac C said:
So how long does it take to machine an Epic? a few weeks?
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If it does they need a new machine! (or machine shop) Modern CNC machining centers are extremely fast. Go on YouTube to watch some examples and you will get a better idea.
 
Machining the parts shouldn't be the bottleneck in the pipeline. It's probably rounding up all the parts that go inside, at least until the actual assembly line is up and running.
 
In my previous life I founded and owned a machine shop specializing in laser and water jet cutting, CIM, Inc.. We also had a number of lathes and mills on the floor. Based on the images of Scarlets and Epics. I would estimate that the actual machining time of the six parts would be relatively minimal. After you include a fifteen minute setup time for each part on the machine, you could pump out over a half dozen sides per hour easily. In manufacturing, the need to outsource (powder coating, anodizing, etc) is usually the big hold up. Service suppliers have their own backlog to deal with. Red's volume is not sufficient to warrant a complete vertical integration, so they will always have that issue to deal with. But in IMHO the greatest time consumer for getting these babies out the door is the assembly and QC. Remember, this is not a Chevy their spitting out via long automated assembly lines.
 
Mike Van Laanen said:
In my previous life I founded and owned a machine shop specializing in laser and water jet cutting, CIM, Inc.. We also had a number of lathes and mills on the floor. Based on the images of Scarlets and Epics. I would estimate that the actual machining time of the six parts would be relatively minimal. After you include a fifteen minute setup time for each part on the machine, you could pump out over a half dozen sides per hour easily. In manufacturing, the need to outsource (powder coating, anodizing, etc) is usually the big hold up. Service suppliers have their own backlog to deal with. Red's volume is not sufficient to warrant a complete vertical integration, so they will always have that issue to deal with. But in IMHO the greatest time consumer for getting these babies out the door is the assembly and QC. Remember, this is not a Chevy their spitting out via long automated assembly lines.
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There are almost 6 machined parts in every lens mount... you vastly under-estimate the complexity of an EPIC Brain, let alone the handle and other modules. You are right, the complexity of assembly and QC is hard to imagine. There is a reason no one has done anything close to this. Nuclear reactor in a matchbox.

Jim
 
Michael Hastings said:
If it does they need a new machine! (or machine shop) Modern CNC machining centers are extremely fast. Go on YouTube to watch some examples and you will get a better idea.
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I highly doubt that YouTube has ever had the pleasure of seeing anything like the production of EPIC...


Jannard said:
For those of you that can't quite comprehend the complexity of what we are trying to do... consider that there are 70 boards and 11,000 pieces on an EPIC-X (with modules).

Just food for thought while you are waiting...

Jim
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Wait, so if we disassemble an Epic brain and put it in a Delorean would we get a flux capacitor?
 
Sorry if I was a bit vague in my estimation of machining time Jim. I meant that based on my twenty years of experience in this industry, I guessed that one of the six sides of the Epic shell should have a cycle time of about ten minutes on an average CNC Machining Center. So the CNC Mill could pump out about a half dozen parts per hour. I also based my guess on the assumption that whomever is doing the actual machining would run fifty to a hundred parts before changing over to another side of the Epic and then do the same there. Net machine time per Epic would then be well over an hour each.

And yes Jim, I was not including the mounting plates (PL, Canon, Nikon) in my estimate. Nor was I including any of the other items like modules, handles. They are additions to the total man hour estimates which would complete a fully functioning Epic-M.

I am sorry Jim, if my original post sounded simplistic toward your achievements. I have believed in you and your company from the start. Red 855 is a testament to the faith I have had in your company. If MBA schools around the world are not utilizing Red as a case study, they soon will be. What you have done to this industry and the manner in which you have accomplished it is ground breaking and I am honored to be a small part of it. Thanks to you and the whole Red Team.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
Wait, so if we disassemble an Epic brain and put it in a Delorean would we get a flux capacitor?
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yes, once Jim has completed this little EPIC project of his, let's put him to work on time travel...:cool:

it has become obvious that the major manufacturers of time travel devices have been withholding technologies and failing to give the consumers what they really want.
 
Jannard said:
OK... back on topic. Mark gets 0007. Let's see what happens next.

Jim
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Next must be 0008 for Steve Gibby? what else could be next...or Steve did not order a EPIC M?
 
Mike Van Laanen said:
Sorry if I was a bit vague in my estimation of machining time Jim. I meant that based on my twenty years of experience in this industry, I guessed that one of the six sides of the Epic shell should have a cycle time of about ten minutes on an average CNC Machining Center. So the CNC Mill could pump out about a half dozen parts per hour. I also based my guess on the assumption that whomever is doing the actual machining would run fifty to a hundred parts before changing over to another side of the Epic and then do the same there. Net machine time per Epic would then be well over an hour each.

And yes Jim, I was not including the mounting plates (PL, Canon, Nikon) in my estimate. Nor was I including any of the other items like modules, handles. They are additions to the total man hour estimates which would complete a fully functioning Epic-M.

I am sorry Jim, if my original post sounded simplistic toward your achievements. I have believed in you and your company from the start. Red 855 is a testament to the faith I have had in your company. If MBA schools around the world are not utilizing Red as a case study, they soon will be. What you have done to this industry and the manner in which you have accomplished it is ground breaking and I am honored to be a small part of it. Thanks to you and the whole Red Team.
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Just as a reference... there are "triple-dozens" of complex machined parts inside every brain, not including the sides, top, bottom or covers. Just start by thinking about the 5 axis adjustable sensor mount.

We appreciate everyone's guessing what's inside a brain, but trust me when I tell you that you have no reference point for comparison.

Jim
 
Meryem Ersoz said:
yes, once Jim has completed this little EPIC project of his, let's put him to work on time travel...:cool:

it has become obvious that the major manufacturers of time travel devices have been withholding technologies and failing to give the consumers what they really want.
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Maybe Jim has mastered the time traveling.... after all Epic is a technology from the future!!

dan dan dan dan.....

:shocked:
 
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