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Mac vs. Windows...

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PC all the way

PC all the way

@jim
Here we have spirit2k arriscan6k telecines Pablo Lustre to celco/arrilaser print and DCP, all the DI process with a lot of diferent machines/manufactures/systems.. from inferno unix 1998 to smoke lion OSx 2013
We only have mac because all the clients(producers) work in mac finalcut and QUICK TIME PRORESS.
I would love to see DNxHD or any other free/open format/codec being standard.
But studios and TV channels and producers work on mac based on quicktime proress.
PC windows are cheaper, faster and you have the freedom to creat and change your setup with a lot of diferent developers/vendors.
Apple make you hostage... just to say the almost 3 years noves where the finalcut pro 7 been kill and the mac pro desktop until now without USB3, thunderbolt.....


One more thing..
we work here with HD tif or 2k/4K dpx sequence files...a movie reel has 18000 files...if i ckick the folder on pc i can see the files in 1 second... on MAC i click the folder and go to lunch. Also DPX on MAC :thumbdown:
 
People switch from PC to Mac all the time for a variety of reasons.

I've never heard of anyone switching from Mac to PC unless they had to for work reasons or they're a gamer.

I think you know my answer.
 
There is an aesthetic to Apple products that appeals to me as a creative. The OS (and iOS) and hardware contributes to my overall enjoyment and creative zone. The story in Jobs biography about his dad making him paint the other side of the fence even though no one would see it is just one of the subtle principles that comes through in *almost* every Apple product.

I haven't seen a Windows interface in years, but in the past, whenever I have looked over my friends shoulders and seen Windows and Windows apps, even the fonts look clunky. So at least historically, the ugly factor of Windows has been a big deterrent for me.

There is much about Apple products that I don't like, but the aesthetics have always been a big part of what I do like.
 
I grew up mostly mac and it has not failed me at all with regards to using RED media, but I'm wondering why Jannard asks this question, is this to gage how much support RED is going to invest in either operating system in the future?
 
@Jim,

Has Apple reached out to you, to do an HP professional tower equivalent? Or are you curious to see if speed (Hardware and Drivers) alone is enough for people to migrate platform?

Ultimately I believe that Apple is more about Human interface, reduction of unnecessary technical complexity, and tactile affinity of something you can be proud of.

PCs and Linux may have less of overhead and work more quickly - but liking speed is not really liking the OS.

But if it does come down to speed - then maybe that question should be, how much more speed do we need? If we can get by now ... maybe 5x faster is the magic number?

If apple was able to architect a machine with that capability - which hardware would people prefer to be given?

AJ
 
PC. Obsolescence obsolete. I can upgrade components when new technology comes out without having to buy a whole new computer :)

Looking forward to more thunderbolt PC solutions coming down the pipeline.

But really, I'd say Adobe. Everything I do is within their ecosystem. I can swap between Mac or PC no problem as long as they're running the latest creative suite software.
 
PC

Keep in mind I use both, my main job bought me a MacBook Pro, at home I have a Windows Machine.

All opinions are very personal, because I can only talk to how this choice has affected me.



Apple moved away from and left the Professional community high and dry. It had been so very long since a noticable Mac Pro update had happened (and still hasn't) and Final Cut Studio was so far behind with things like SUPPORTING RED, and even though I had heard rumors of an upcoming FCPX, I could sense a shift.

I was also tight on funds and had a free copy of Adobe CS Master Collection offered to me.

So 3 months before the FCPX announcement, I moved away from mac after working on it and FCP my whole education and career of 13 years at that point. I built a PC for $1800 that was more powerful than an available Mac at $3400, installed Premiere, and haven't regretted it for a day.

It was PHYSICALLY DIFFICULT for me to make that move! I was scared and sad. But my disappointment in Mac was greater.

I know lot's of people who are on FCPX and Macs. I have it available to me, but I use the Creative Cloud service from Adobe. It's fast, powerful, reasonably priced, cross platform, and keeping up with the industry. I cannot say any of those things about FCP or the Apple universe.

I love OSX, hate Windows, have an iPhone 5, Nexus 7, Macbook Pro retina, and a 2 year old PC that still screams. I plan to move over to Android after my cell contract is up.
 
Windows all the way.

You can't compare a retina MBP to a Dell Precision portable workstation with a quadro K5000, one is for surfing the net, the other for work. The HP notebooks with deamcolor panels are also great machines.
To compare a 600 bucks pc to a 2k macbook is unfair, try spending the same amount of money on a pc, or better, try spending double, and you'll never go back, unless of course, you are still using FCP 7. FCP 7 is the reason why a lot of people says that working with .r3d files is difficult or cumbersome. Use a PC and CS6 and it couldn't be easier or faster.
 
I like the user experience of OSX (and iOS), but thats it. Apple builds good products, but they have there flaws too and OSX has a lot of dirt under the hood. It's not magically more stable or secure, it can break and do weird things too, had it all, really bad crashes out of nowhere too.

I like the freedom of building my own systems with hardware i can choose, exchange, service and upgrade by myself, thats a huge plus. And while i would miss a few apps under osx, there is not much i couldn't have under Windows. And for me it was mostly easier to find help/solutions and software for Windows than for OSX, software often even free. It looks like there is just more...

BTW, i hate the Metro-integration in Win8. ;)

So if you ask me, i can live with a mixture of both. OSX isn't a real argument for me, never was. It comes down to the full package and on that there isn't much innovative stuff from Apple at the moment... A Retina MacBook was tempting a bit, but not enough. ;) And a workstation i'll build always by myself, i want to choose every component, PowerMacs will never have chance.
 
Mac. 15" Retina, Thunderbolt display and Sonnet enclosure + Rocket. Psyched for Mac Pro details, I think Windows based machines currently have the edge with PCI / Graphics card compatibility, but Mac all the way. FCPX has proven to be a Godsend with my all Red workflows, and having every NLE on a single mobile machines is essential.

Why FCPX and Mac run a tight ship:
http://moviola.com/webinars/final-cut-pro-x-red-feature-film-workflows/ Sam Mestman's great hour long overview of a feature film FCPX workflow.
 
to all redusers, if you believe that software and being locked in for post is ok, Mac is perfect. I would use a Macbook Pro anyday. In terms of workstations I would definetely put my money on PC, its upgradeable, etc etc.
 
Brian Boyer said:
I'm not trying to speak for David, only give my impressions.

Historically and in general, the Windows world always seemed content with "easy enough". Apple, on the other hand, always seemed to be about "even easier".

Both sides have made blunders but the Mac side always seemed to me to be striving for it and the other side seemed to be reacting to it.

Windows probably could've crushed MacOS long ago if Microsoft hadn't relied so heavily on its ubiquity and taken the lead on user experience and mandated tighter hardware integration and interoperability. Instead, it was a kind of free-for-all.

Perhaps there's less of a difference now. But, the fact that it took so long for Windows/PC makers to get it makes me wonder where computing would be if Apple didn't have that philosophy and wasn't constantly forcing their hand.

The PC is a very pragmatic choice. People who love it (do people actually love it?) seem to do so for pragmatic reasons (power, price, software availability, hardware choices and the customization benefits people always tout).

Apple's appeal seems a little more nebulous and harder to nail down. I've used both extensively (not Windows 8, though) and wouldn't buy a Windows machine unless I absolutely had to.
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Brian, I'm glad to hear from anyone..... but you'll notice you didn't really answer my question. I understand that Mac people "Like Macs" .... that would make sense. My question is, when you actually stop to think about it and get to specifics, what is it that the Mac (OSX) does better/easier than PC(Win)?
 
Santiago Marti said:
Windows all the way.

You can't compare a retina MBP to a Dell Precision portable workstation with a quadro K5000, one is for surfing the net, the other for work. The HP notebooks with deamcolor panels are also great machines.
To compare a 600 bucks pc to a 2k macbook is unfair, try spending the same amount of money on a pc, or better, try spending double, and you'll never go back, unless of course, you are still using FCP 7. FCP 7 is the reason why a lot of people says that working with .r3d files is difficult or cumbersome. Use a PC and CS6 and it couldn't be easier or faster.
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For many years my base work machines have been Dell Precision M's and they served me well... early this year I switched to a HP 8770W and am happy with that. Performance wise Apple doesn't have anything close (it's a $6000 laptop) but it's butt ugly compared to the MBP (and if all else was equal I'll always go with the sexy laptop). The DreamColor display is nice but I'd rather have retina too. I've also lately switched from Dell to HP workstations... and the Z820's are performing very well. Overall I'm happy and productive with HP... but that said... I'm sure most users would be plenty productive with an MBP too... I just needed some capabilities that I couldn't get in the Macbook.
 
Personal opinion: Ain't worth the money. Built a complete PC for 3990$ taking on R3D 5K in Premiere and AE with ease. Double that money.. and you're getting closer to a Mac Pro with equivalent juice. ps: Norwegian prices.
And the industry standards are changing fast, so unless Apple decides to fight for their spot within the year I believe it's game over.
 
I am too stupid for Windows, so it is Mac for me.
Every time a new Windows version comes out, my friends tell me that it is almost `there´ to which I invariably answer that I am `here´ already. Shame with FCP, might consider Adobe for 4K etc. I assume that Windows has greatly improved from the days of jumpers and dip switches, but for portable it´s the Retina Book for me.
 
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