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Mac vs. Windows...

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Mac - and as long as I can I will stick to it.

I never liked the unstable PC way having to sort out problems every second day and have all that thousand corner search system. I just hope Apple would bring back the power. But I believe this is not only Apples "fault". Not everything apple does is gold but I just love the "it just works" approach.

If not Mac I'd rather go Linux before bothering with windows again
 
For me there is no "vs", even if I think Apple needs to re-focus on the pro market (...perhaps they do, but not real signs so far).
It is a personal thing to stick with Apple since 20 years, nothing that is worth to discuss. I mentioned it -- to put my little vote in.
Just my very own 2cents.
 
The only Windows machine in the house developed a hardware issue a few days ago and won't currently boot... I'm really not too worried - I'll probably fix it in the next few weeks but I do almost everything on my Mac laptops these days...
 
I work heavily on both platforms. Lately I might spend 6 hours on the mac pros in the studio, and 8 hours on Windows until the wee hours in the morning.
I have setup the studio I work at which is mac pro based, and my personal studio is PC based. I did the purchasing of the mac pros, and built the PCs and have been building them for 15 years.

I prefer Windows, but I have a heavy focus on fx work and not just video editing. If it's down to just video editing, makes no difference to me.

I still don't believe people's excuse that a mac 'just works', and Win doesn't. I experience the same amount of crashing (within the Adobe suite) on both platforms. And on our mac pros, I have had to manually power down from frozen applications more than on the win7 platforms, where it seems I can always end the process. In recent times, the PC myth that they are less stable just doesn't exist anymore. It is simply not true. It's now in my opinion all down to which OS you prefer.

I will say though, most people I know with extensive hardware knowledge of how a computer works, the performance tweakers, have PCs at home and work that are custom builds, and a macbook or ipad for internet browsing / fun stuff :)
 
Peter Stelzhammer said:
If they _totally_ drop the Mac (means Photoshop also) I would have no choice...
But I doubt this will happen soon.
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Adobe would be insane at this point to ever drop Mac support. The sheer quantity of Macs using Creative Suite, and Photoshop specifically, must be enormous.
 
MAC but I'm having a very hard time staying with Apple. If they don't hurry up and bring out a new killer Mac Pro I'm gone for a very long time.
Apple also doesn't seem to understand that the Pros also have a lot of other Apple stuff in their private life. I'm having around 9 Apple products within my family but I'm willing to drop everything and not update it if Apple doesn't get their shit together and delivers me what I need in my Pro life to feed my family.
This sounds a little dramatic but I'm really fed up with Apple.....and I earn my living with their products for the last 13 years and was a Mac fan ever since.:undecided:
It's a shame.

Tim
 
in 5 years in won't matter a 3rd or 4th generation of thunderbolt will allow us to run cards in an external box at full speed without compromises. but right now the lack of mac pro updates is a little stingy. we need to have all options available to us
 
Andy Roberts said:
Adobe would be insane at this point to ever drop Mac support. The sheer quantity of Macs using Creative Suite, and Photoshop specifically, must be enormous.
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It's not Adobe you should be worried about. Apple is the one to keep an eye on as they will eventually move to a 100% ARM product line - possibly in the next ten years - and they are developing OS/iOS native solutions for their own ARM hardware that will - in their POV - make Adobe's software an afterthought at most when coupled with Apple's data center computing power for heavy lifting in the cloud.
 
Sorry for the short derail but I don't truly care for Adobes products. And I don't mean for what they offer. Because the tools themselves are great but they are not (at least for my experience) stable or thought through in terms of use ability and cross over between the software. With a company this big I expect more. They should concentrate on improving the existing ones before creating more features.
 
Danny Robashkin said:
Hey David, how does a Mac just work and PC does not? What are the things that take extra steps to do on a PC (windows) than a Mac (OSX)? I'm really curious as they feel so similar to me....
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I'm not trying to speak for David, only give my impressions.

Historically and in general, the Windows world always seemed content with "easy enough". Apple, on the other hand, always seemed to be about "even easier".

Both sides have made blunders but the Mac side always seemed to me to be striving for it and the other side seemed to be reacting to it.

Windows probably could've crushed MacOS long ago if Microsoft hadn't relied so heavily on its ubiquity and taken the lead on user experience and mandated tighter hardware integration and interoperability. Instead, it was a kind of free-for-all.

Perhaps there's less of a difference now. But, the fact that it took so long for Windows/PC makers to get it makes me wonder where computing would be if Apple didn't have that philosophy and wasn't constantly forcing their hand.

The PC is a very pragmatic choice. People who love it (do people actually love it?) seem to do so for pragmatic reasons (power, price, software availability, hardware choices and the customization benefits people always tout).

Apple's appeal seems a little more nebulous and harder to nail down. I've used both extensively (not Windows 8, though) and wouldn't buy a Windows machine unless I absolutely had to.
 
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Patrick Grossien said:
Sorry for the short derail but I don't truly care for Adobes products. And I don't mean for what they offer. Because the tools themselves are great but they are not (at least for my experience) stable or thought through in terms of use ability and cross over between the software. With a company this big I expect more. They should concentrate on improving the existing ones before creating more features.
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I doubt you mean CS6 because it has been rock solid and easy to work between the applications with Red footage.
 
I still have to say Mac for portability and performance on the road.


I travel a lot and having a Macbook pro with thunderbolt is great. Add at Promise J4 Raid With SSDs and you get 4GB fibre channel speed storage attached to a laptop in a hotel room.


Add a BMD Ultra studio Mini monitor costing $145 and you have hd-sdi out to use the laptop to grade with resolve. Add a BMD ultra studio mini recorder for $145 and I can take the hd-sdi out of an EPIC and record Prores in real time to my laptop.


Add a Sonnet expansion chassis and I can have a red rocket for transcoding, add a SAS board to the expansion chassis and I can connect two LTO 5 drives for backup.


The only complaint I have it the inability to add GPUs over thunderbolt.


nothing in the portable windows world can touch it.


In the studio, as of today, i say screw apple and buy a HP Z8000 no Cubix needed. Hopefully that will change after the developers conference in June.
 
My two cents:

- Workstation: PC wins hands down for the ability to build as needed. Can go to multiple Xeon configurations without CPU and PCI-E limitations. All my workstations are PC, not a Mac in sight.

- Portable: Apple obviously wins for the miniaturization, integration, and Retina.

The Cineform codec provides the key to moving between the two if needed. The MacBook Pro goes on location for offloading r3ds and stills, and initial quality check/first light. After that it's all PC for the heavy lifting.
 
Mac (and Linux) never Windows BUT there has to be a suitable box to run it one.
 
Not sure if this article has already been cited as I did not read every single posting in this thread, but I just read this and I think it's super relevant to this thread.

The consensus seems to be that Windows really doesn't know what they're doing and unfortunately computer manufacturers like HP and Dell are in trouble because they are totally dependent on Windows. Apple knows what they are doing, but the question is whether or not they will continue to support creative professionals since they make almost all their money from consumer products. The article suggests that Apple (under Tim Cook) has not forgotten the group that originally made them successful and will most likely be releasing a Mac Pro in the near future that addresses that group's needs. Let's hope so.

Anyway, here's the article http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/04/27/editorial-what-will-apple-do-with-the-macintosh/.
 
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