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Lens Package Options for Epic (1/2011)

Julio Quintana said:
Hey Ketch. Would you mind telling us why you prefer the Leicas over the Master Primes? I'm sure you've mentioned it in another thread, but it might be useful to post it in this thread as well.
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Why Leicas rather than Master Primes?

1. Leica glass creates a different image that many prefer (I'm basing this on stills and Primos -- the new lenses are sure to have similar characteristics) = happy DP
2. Size -- the Leica lenses are considerable smaller/lighter = happy camera op.
3. Scales -- the Leica lenses essentially share the same focus scales across their lens line -- crazy but true. An AC can get used to the focus distance on the lens(es) and achieve an extra degree of muscle memory with their focus pulls = happy AC
4. Cheaper than Master Primes -- people think these lenses are expensive; relative to their closest competitiong (Master Primes and S5i lenses) they are not expensive--they're actually pretty reasonably priced = happy PM

Add points 1-4 = Happy Producer

Oh -- and you can easily stick nets on 'em too.
 
Other lenses:

Uniq Optics -- I know of two sets locally that are doing pretty well. Good build quality.
Arri Alura zooms -- same thing -- well received. The long one being used in lieu of the 12x Optimo.
 
Hey guys quick question regarding the Dp rouge set. Does anyone know if the image circle will cover 5k full from for both lenses without any vignetting on the edges? Seems to me that all these lens options are great but how many will actually cover 5k?
 
The DPs actually have bigger image circles than their film counterparts so I think they will be GTG for 5K. Matt Duclos probably knows best.

You should add Zeiss Standards as well. They generally go for $16-17.5K per set of 5 (16,24,32,50 & 85mm). They are very sharp and small lenses that are popular with many Redusers (including me) because of their organic image and high resolution.
IMHO they are a much better choice for 4K & 5K than Supers. Also MKI Supers generally go for around $20-25K not $30K from what I've seen.
 
Angenieux says the DP lenses will cover 32mm sensor size (5k) provided you get the second version of the 16-42, (as the first version only covered 28mm -- not enough for 5k). By the way, you can now order black (or blue) versions of these instead of the red colored version.
 
We have tested many lenses on the RED ONE...

We found that the Canon K35 Superspeeds had the most cinematic look - they produce a very filmic, creamy image. After much testing, we became big supporters of slightly older glass on digital cameras in general, and of K35s in particular.

Compared to the Zeiss Superspeeds, they are sharper wide-open. The apertures and size are about the same.

They are small and compact - perfect for the smaller EPICs which are about to be released in the wild.

And, best of all, all the lenses cover 5K and the upcoming full-frame 6K (36mmx24mm). All the lenses in our set (14, 18, 24, 35, 55, 85, 135 and 200) cover full frame! They will be quite something on MONSTRO, when one will be able to take full advantage of the huge sensor (either for still application, or for cine - including 4x3 and all widescreen ratios).

And, they are not hugely expensive.

So we went with the Canon K35s.
 
Julio Quintana said:
Hi George. Do you have any images from the Canons you would be willing to share with us?
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Hopefully soon, if I get clearance from the producers.

However, the look is quite well-known, the K35s have been around for a while. They are getting more and more respect in the industry as they get better known, and I expect their popularity to explode once larger sensors hit the market.
 
Does anyone know where you can ACTUALLY buy a (new) set
of these Canon K35 lenses?
 
Julio Quintana said:
Hey Ketch. Would you mind telling us why you prefer the Leicas over the Master Primes? I'm sure you've mentioned it in another thread, but it might be useful to post it in this thread as well.
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Actually I have loved the Master Primes ever since I first pay with them when they first came out, absolutely
the Best Glass i the World, and still are, however the new Leica Summilux-C are lighter and with a smaller
95mm front diameter same as the popular even smaller and lighter Ultra Primes.

But at the end we end up going with the RPZ and Master Primes for our new Studios ;)


Christopher Barrett said:
Customized? Ketch, are you Duclosing your RPZ?

Duclos
-verb
1. to improve mechanically; to rehouse; to augment original designs; to smoothen movement; to increase the accuracy of (Specifically in regards to Cinematography Lenses)
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Cristopher, our beautiful set of RPP's have been done by Duclos via a close collaboration to achieve the right Focal to be added, and they did in incredible job at it.

And as time will allow we will service our RPZ's as well.


paul engstrom said:
Why Leicas rather than Master Primes?

1. Leica glass creates a different image that many prefer (I'm basing this on stills and Primos -- the new lenses are sure to have similar characteristics) = happy DP
2. Size -- the Leica lenses are considerable smaller/lighter = happy camera op.
3. Scales -- the Leica lenses essentially share the same focus scales across their lens line -- crazy but true. An AC can get used to the focus distance on the lens(es) and achieve an extra degree of muscle memory with their focus pulls = happy AC
4. Cheaper than Master Primes -- people think these lenses are expensive; relative to their closest competitiong (Master Primes and S5i lenses) they are not expensive--they're actually pretty reasonably priced = happy PM

Add points 1-4 = Happy Producer

Oh -- and you can easily stick nets on 'em too.
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My main point of Leica vs. Master Primes was size/weight factor for 3D work,
but at the end as said above, I just love the Master Primes too much, and the long wait on
the Leica since we lost our place in line, is not a choice.

As far as image quality, Bokeh, and over all fill to me there is nothing yet that has come close to the Master Primes.

But wil enjoy playing wt the Leicas soon in off ;)

BUt the Leicas are NOT better then the Master Primes or Vice versa.
 
KETCH ROSSI said:
however the new Leica Summilux-C are lighter and with a smaller
95mm front diameter same as the popular even smaller and lighter Ultra Primes.
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Not correct. Common misconception.

Ultra primes are 95mm front as well (except 10mm, 12mm, 14mm)

They are 91mm long - Leicas are 142mm long.

Ultra Primes weight 2.2-2.6 lbs for most of the set vs. 3.5-4lbs for Leicas.

MANY of the big 3D films are shooting on Ultra Primes.
 
Evin Grant said:
The DPs actually have bigger image circles than their film counterparts so I think they will be GTG for 5K. Matt Duclos probably knows best.

You should add Zeiss Standards as well. They generally go for $16-17.5K per set of 5 (16,24,32,50 & 85mm). They are very sharp and small lenses that are popular with many Redusers (including me) because of their organic image and high resolution.
IMHO they are a much better choice for 4K & 5K than Supers. Also MKI Supers generally go for around $20-25K not $30K from what I've seen.
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Both Optimo DPs - 16-42mm and 30-80mm fully cover 5K on EPIC.

Excellent glass - fast ROI - HIGHLY recommend.
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
Not correct. Common misconception.

Ultra primes are 95mm front as well (except 10mm, 12mm, 14mm)

They are 91mm long - Leicas are 142mm long.

Ultra Primes weight 2.2-2.6 lbs for most of the set vs. 3.5-4lbs for Leicas.

MANY of the big 3D films are shooting on Ultra Primes.
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What I meant was to say that they are the same as the UP with 95mm front element, not exactly
as the same weight, as I know they are not, I have all measurements, sizes and full Spec shits
of all lenses ;)

Yeah I also am aware of almost every one shooting UP's on 3D, but I want T1.3, T1.4 and I will not use the hold
Super speed Zeiss ;) So its either Master Primes or Leicas, so for now its Master Primes ;)
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
Not correct. Common misconception.

Ultra primes are 95mm front as well (except 10mm, 12mm, 14mm)

They are 91mm long - Leicas are 142mm long.

Ultra Primes weight 2.2-2.6 lbs for most of the set vs. 3.5-4lbs for Leicas.

MANY of the big 3D films are shooting on Ultra Primes.
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yes yes yes and yes.

and not many.. most of the big 3D films are on Ultra Primes.. go try and buy a set of them right now, they are harder to get than an EPIC :)
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
Both Optimo DPs - 16-42mm and 30-80mm fully cover 5K on EPIC.

Excellent glass - fast ROI - HIGHLY recommend.
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Indeed, that's why I bought the 16-42, the 30-80 will be coming with my next TV show, hopefully along with the new Duclos/Nikkor zoom. 16-200mm T2.8 and handholdable in just three zooms.... Love it!:thumbsup:
 
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