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There are no pre-orders for the stormtroopers... they just show up one day and we sell them till they are gone. And then they are gone. For those new to the game, When I do a special stormtrooper run they technically don't really exist. They are first ones out of the ovens and don't actually show up on RED.com ( well except for a super low key order page )
They just magically appear one day.
But I am giving you weekly updates right here until that happens, so you should have a good idea when to expect them. And I appreciate the visits and the love but you don't need to check in multiple times a day everyday for a bit still..... it won't be till May if Mexico can stay ahead of all the drama.
Not clear on your last couple of points, but I referenced every PL mount lens there, but he was looking for a relatively small PL lens in size.
In terms of feature film work, I haven't shot a single image of anything RF mount to end up on the big screen yet, it's too new and sort of um.... waiting for a camera to do that with
If referencing other non-PL mount lenses I've used for work that's ended up in theaters, here's the quick list of stuff I've used for plates, VFX, or just general stuff:
- Canon EF
- Nikon F
- Olympus OM
- Leica-R
- Leica-M
- Mamiya 645
- Hasselblad 500
In terms of shear optical quality as many have discovered some of the less expensive lenses outperform much, much higher end glass on an optical level, perhaps more importantly is the insane technical accomplishments some of the top tier lens manufacturers have achieved recently with high quality and hard to manufacturer aspherical or multi-aspherical designs. That doesn't mean there aren't a million reasons to shoot with a quality PL set. I use PL mostly for what I do because its' a robust and sturdy mount, cinema optics typically have much better mechanics, no image shift, build quality, consistent character ideally across a set of glass, heck if it's me I prefer a set of consistent T stops across primes too.
For me though, no matter what lenses I'm using for a shoot or even an individual shot, it starts with the look and then I go from there. I really enjoy working the Summilux-Cs for instance for their cleaner modern look, but I actually really like the Cooke S4s too because they are not that.
Like a set of Super Speeds isn't going to out resolve a set of Sigma Cine Primes for instance (<=140lp/mm versus 200+lp/mm and way better control over aberations, heh, and no plastic lenses involved *snicker*). But if you are choosing Super Speeds you are after their look more than anything these days.
There's weirder stuff in there that I have a lot of personal experience with that mirrors many DPs experiences too. Like Master Primes are phenomenal, but that 50mm is weird and most will go wider or longer as the 65mm T1.3 is a very nice lens and performs on par with the rest of the set.
I guess if you are looking for a major pro for the RF, though it sounds like that doesn't interest you, bare in mind that with the right lens your camera can be shorter than the camera with a PL Mount on there even. I don't need to repeat it really, but Komodo from the ground up is designed to be very small. That's very clear. And who knows, they might do a PL mount version for sure. But you'll have to answer if losing the possibility of going to any shorter flange distance mounts will be worth it in a camera that inspires creative use cases. It will be for some. With Komodo as it is now, RED has gone with the PL Adapter route. And ideally when it extra support is needed, rig it out with a support plate and foot. Heck leave it rigged that way if that's what you always use. In the DSMC2 world we do have interchangeable mounts and I hope that continues with DSMC3, hopefully now that the mount standard for RF exists RED can also make the bigger cameras compatible there too.
It's so weird when people want less options when it comes to the creative and technical lens solutions you can come up with, but there's certainly room for "just PL" in some worlds. Likely not a sub-$10K camera though. I mean most people in that pricing tier don't own PL glass for instance. But they do own EF and others for sure.
Not clear on your last couple of points, but I referenced every PL mount lens there, but he was looking for a relatively small PL lens in size.
In terms of feature film work, I haven't shot a single image of anything RF mount to end up on the big screen yet, it's too new and sort of um.... waiting for a camera to do that with
If referencing other non-PL mount lenses I've used for work that's ended up in theaters, here's the quick list of stuff I've used for plates, VFX, or just general stuff:
- Canon EF
- Nikon F
- Olympus OM
- Leica-R
- Leica-M
- Mamiya 645
- Hasselblad 500
In terms of shear optical quality as many have discovered some of the less expensive lenses outperform much, much higher end glass on an optical level, perhaps more importantly is the insane technical accomplishments some of the top tier lens manufacturers have achieved recently with high quality and hard to manufacturer aspherical or multi-aspherical designs. That doesn't mean there aren't a million reasons to shoot with a quality PL set. I use PL mostly for what I do because its' a robust and sturdy mount, cinema optics typically have much better mechanics, no image shift, build quality, consistent character ideally across a set of glass, heck if it's me I prefer a set of consistent T stops across primes too.
For me though, no matter what lenses I'm using for a shoot or even an individual shot, it starts with the look and then I go from there. I really enjoy working the Summilux-Cs for instance for their cleaner modern look, but I actually really like the Cooke S4s too because they are not that.
Like a set of Super Speeds isn't going to out resolve a set of Sigma Cine Primes for instance (<=140lp/mm versus 200+lp/mm and way better control over aberations, heh, and no plastic lenses involved *snicker*). But if you are choosing Super Speeds you are after their look more than anything these days.
There's weirder stuff in there that I have a lot of personal experience with that mirrors many DPs experiences too. Like Master Primes are phenomenal, but that 50mm is weird and most will go wider or longer as the 65mm T1.3 is a very nice lens and performs on par with the rest of the set.
I guess if you are looking for a major pro for the RF, though it sounds like that doesn't interest you, bare in mind that with the right lens your camera can be shorter than the camera with a PL Mount on there even. I don't need to repeat it really, but Komodo from the ground up is designed to be very small. That's very clear. And who knows, they might do a PL mount version for sure. But you'll have to answer if losing the possibility of going to any shorter flange distance mounts will be worth it in a camera that inspires creative use cases. It will be for some. With Komodo as it is now, RED has gone with the PL Adapter route. And ideally when it extra support is needed, rig it out with a support plate and foot. Heck leave it rigged that way if that's what you always use. In the DSMC2 world we do have interchangeable mounts and I hope that continues with DSMC3, hopefully now that the mount standard for RF exists RED can also make the bigger cameras compatible there too.
It's so weird when people want less options when it comes to the creative and technical lens solutions you can come up with, but there's certainly room for "just PL" in some worlds. Likely not a sub-$10K camera though. I mean most people in that pricing tier don't own PL glass for instance. But they do own EF and others for sure.
Can't wait for that magical moment...!
And in the meantime we can stay creative and have a good time while we wait!
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Hello Phil... I am buying this week 2 to 3 lenses for a more day by day use (Not Film projects).... So I was thinking in the range of $1200 to $2500 each. My top in the head is MILVUS Line but I wanna to hear from you if you had any suggestions about any other brand you think might be good too.
I was also peaking at the new XEEN CF Prime Lenses but no idea what to choose... heheheh
Thanks a lot!![]()
+1 for this recommendation. I'm in the market to make similar purchases.
Hello Phil... I am buying this week 2 to 3 lenses for a more day by day use (Not Film projects).... So I was thinking in the range of $1200 to $2500 each. My top in the head is MILVUS Line but I wanna to hear from you if you had any suggestions about any other brand you think might be good too.
I was also peaking at the new XEEN CF Prime Lenses but no idea what to choose... heheheh
Thanks a lot!![]()
+1 for this recommendation. I'm in the market to make similar purchases.
Absolutely. I want to open with a moderate statement first.
It's so hard for me to give specific lens purchase advice. I'm not exactly a "this is the best and everything else sucks" sort of DPs. I own too many lenses and have a broader perspective on lenses as tools than that likely biased based mentality. At the same time I can listen to your specific wants and needs, then tackle those questions from there.
For instance, Alain mentions he's looking at the Zeiss Milvus and Xeen CF Primes. That tells me he's focused on something small and lightweight as well as not the super hardcore motion picture workhorse-class of glass. Also this tells me the general price point he's exploring.
What's nice about the Milvus set is they inherited some of the Otus designed mentality on the body design with generally better mechanics than the previous iteration of this series. Additionally there are newer focal lengths, optical revisions, and better coatings than the older stuff too. I actually like the look from the Milvus. They aren't Otus level, but not far off. The maintain more of a modern-classic look. Clean-ish, but not too clean really.
The Xeen CFs are not new in terms of glass. Same glass found in the OG Xeens and Rockinon Cine DS stuff. However, with the somewhat recent absence of the Hanse Innotech Celeres, which were mostly based around this glass and focused on compact lightweight rigs, I feel this is where the Xeen CFs now land. Today they announced the 35mm T1.5 and the 16mm T2.6. And I think they are currently the most affordable/cheapest PL glass out made by a manufacturer and not a cheaper rehouse. That cost comes with some concessions however, but for the price they are not too shabby in terms of value.
Lenses for me start with the look and I think that's something you need to sort of go with. T-Stops and/or F-Stops are a consideration here too as some of these are faster or slower than others.
Don't know if rental is a consideration here, and you would likely go with CP.3s versus the Milvus in that case anyways, but Zeiss is still a very well known and favored brand by many. Xeens are very much an extremely entry level cinema set in my mind.
Thanks for the response, Phil. What about the Milvus in relation to the CP.2 or possibly expanding the budget to the Sigma's FF High Speed Prime Lenses? I'm particularly interested in the 35mm and 50mm focal lengths.
Much like the Sigma Art Primes versus the Sigma Cine Primes, the Milvus primes are more or less what's in the Zeiss CP.3s. They are different and newer than the CP.2s, which are more or less based on the older ZF/ZE glass. But in the world of Milvus you have access to the higher speed primes, and I don't know if Zeiss will do a high speed CP.3 set. The high speed Milvus glass if I recall correctly are all new/newer designs compared to the ZF/ZE. Need to double check my notes on the 85mm, but pretty sure that's the case. But the 25, 35, and 50mm are 100% new.
I will say what's really nice about the Milvus line-up is Zeiss hardcore listened and added the de-click feature on the Nikon mount stuff. Canon uses the electronic iris, but also has the advantage of focusing the right direction.
The Sigma glass is more or less one not down from Otus quality or bloody close to it. I mentioned earlier the 40mm in particular is more or less Sigma's prestige lens, much like Zeiss' 55mm f/1.4 Otus. The Sigma Cine version obviously is more ideal for motion picture application with the mechanics and build quality. I actually only have my Sigma Cine set now and a couple in EF still.
The bigger step up in price and weight is really the Tokinas from there as well as few other nice features, but they are notably heavier and larger. The Vista Ones in particular are more or less what I would consider Master Primes for VistaVision.
Sometimes it's so hard to appreciate how feature-packed the Red Komodo is at this price point. I had to compare it to the Canon 1D X Mark III but there's no comparison, really: Can the Canon 1DX Mark III go toe to toe with the Red Komodo as a serious filmmaking camera?
The high speed Milvus glass if I recall correctly are all new/newer designs compared to the ZF/ZE. Need to double check my notes on the 85mm, but pretty sure that's the case
What's nice about the Milvus set is they inherited some of the Otus designed mentality on the body design with generally better mechanics than the previous iteration of this series.
The Sigma glass is more or less one not down from Otus quality or bloody close to it. I mentioned earlier the 40mm in particular is more or less Sigma's prestige lens, much like Zeiss' 55mm f/1.4 Otus. The Sigma Cine version obviously is more ideal for motion picture application with the mechanics and build quality. I actually only have my Sigma Cine set now and a couple in EF still.
The bigger step up in price and weight is really the Tokinas from there as well as few other nice features, but they are notably heavier and larger. The Vista Ones in particular are more or less what I would consider Master Primes for VistaVision.