KOMODO....

[Aaron Lochert]

I could be wrong but brace yourselves for a $6,499 - $6,999 regular Komodo.

It was said that Hydrogen owners would get $1k discount. It was also said that Komodo was not under $5K unless you own a Hydrogen.

So unless that information is outdated, it leads me to believe it'll be $4950 for Hydrogen owners and $5950 for non-Hydrogen owners. Those seem like very RED numbers to me.

 

[Gregory Karydis]

It was said that Hydrogen owners would get $1k discount. It was also said that Komodo was not under $5K unless you own a Hydrogen.

So unless that information is outdated, it leads me to believe it'll be $4950 for Hydrogen owners and $5950 for non-Hydrogen owners. Those seem like very RED numbers to me.

That would be amazing and I know a lot of people would be extremely excited!

I'm not suggesting that this information is outdated in any way, but we should consider that the above statements were made prior to the situation with the COVID-19 and its worldwide effect on manufacturing parts and availability...
It would be sensible to adjust our expectations based on this more recent information.

To some, the Stormtrooper priced around 7-8K is reasonable and I include myself here, but that's solely up to each one's budgeting.

 

[Bob Gundu]

It was said that Hydrogen owners would get $1k discount. It was also said that Komodo was not under $5K unless you own a Hydrogen.

So unless that information is outdated, it leads me to believe it'll be $4950 for Hydrogen owners and $5950 for non-Hydrogen owners. Those seem like very RED numbers to me.

I feel Komodo has matured since the announcement which may affect price as well.

 

[Robert P Eagleton]

Good morning fellow Red users,

Owner of Red hydrogen #H1T000871, would like to use discount for KOMODO but have No experince with cinema cameras.Could some of you throw out some ideas of what I might need, and ball park cost to set up a functalional system. I'm going to need everything if I do this, so some info on what glass I might what to have,doesn't have to be top of the line, but would like to get the most out of it.

Strictly for personal use with high quallity images.Hope I get some good infomation to be able to make the best choice,since I'm almost 70 years old won't have a lot of time too apply a long learning curve.

Thanks for any response.

 

[Gregory Karydis]

Hi Robert,

Assuming RED doesn't offer a basic kit (monitor, power, storage), you cannot go wrong with some of these basics:

An SDI external display
Go for a 7" daylight viewable to make your life easier ~ 500$
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1461444-REG/smallhd_mon_focus7_focus_7_on_camera_monitor.html

Power for the external Monitor 120$
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...it_lseries_sony_l_series_np_f774_battery.html



A pair of "Medium-sized" batteries ~300$
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...Lithium_Ion_Battery_Pack.html?sts=pi-ps&pim=Y

OR

A pair of large ones ~ 410$
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...gent_Lithium_Ion_Battery.html?sts=pi-ps&pim=Y

And don't forget their charger! - Works for either the small or large ones.
Dual Charger for the Komodo Batteries 80$
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/836383-REG/watson_d_1511_duo_lcd_charger_for.html

And now for the expensive stuff...
Lenses!
You can either go native with the RF mount options:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?ci=17912&fct=fct_lens-mount_3442|canon-rf&N=4196380428
Starting at ~400$
For an easy 24-105mm with autofocus https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1546032-REG/canon_4111c002_rf_24_105mm_f_4_7_1_is.html
OR you can go nuts and spend a few thousand on whatever you like for a few grand. Manual or AF

OR
You can go for an EF-RF adapter ~50$ - 400$
And then use any Canon Full Frame EF mount lens
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/sear...ct_lens-mount_1596|canon-ef-eos&N=4077634486&

Alternatively, if you own lenses from any other camera system, see if there's a lens mount adapter for RF.
There are quite a lot of options to choose from, but try to get something that allows for AF control
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/sear...era-body-mount_1595|canon-eos-rf&N=4077634486


Long story short, you are looking at ~430$ if you plan on using the built-in monitor, a pair of the smallest batteries, a charger and an EF-RF adapter for your own lenses (if you have any)
Otherwise, it's at least 1000$ for decent external 7" display and camera power.

Then either upwards of 400$ for an RF lens, or upwards of 50$ for an adapter and alternative lens mount options.

If you don't have any lenses of any kind, better get something between 24-35mm as a general purpose fixed focal length lens and work your way up from there.

If you want to go long with your Zoom lenses, take a look at the stabilised lenses with IS or OS marking as you will probably need it if you are shooting hand-held.

I hope this helps give you an idea.

 

[Jarred Land]

Hi Robert,

Assuming RED doesn't offer a basic kit (monitor, power, storage), you cannot go wrong with some of these basics:

An SDI external display
Go for a 7" daylight viewable to make your life easier ~ 500$
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1461444-REG/smallhd_mon_focus7_focus_7_on_camera_monitor.html

Power for the external Monitor 120$
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...it_lseries_sony_l_series_np_f774_battery.html



A pair of "Medium-sized" batteries ~300$
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...Lithium_Ion_Battery_Pack.html?sts=pi-ps&pim=Y

OR

A pair of large ones ~ 410$
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...gent_Lithium_Ion_Battery.html?sts=pi-ps&pim=Y

And don't forget their charger! - Works for either the small or large ones.
Dual Charger for the Komodo Batteries 80$
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/836383-REG/watson_d_1511_duo_lcd_charger_for.html

And now for the expensive stuff...
Lenses!
You can either go native with the RF mount options:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?ci=17912&fct=fct_lens-mount_3442|canon-rf&N=4196380428
Starting at ~400$
For an easy 24-105mm with autofocus https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1546032-REG/canon_4111c002_rf_24_105mm_f_4_7_1_is.html
OR you can go nuts and spend a few thousand on whatever you like for a few grand. Manual or AF

OR
You can go for an EF-RF adapter ~50$ - 400$
And then use any Canon Full Frame EF mount lens
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/sear...ct_lens-mount_1596|canon-ef-eos&N=4077634486&

Alternatively, if you own lenses from any other camera system, see if there's a lens mount adapter for RF.
There are quite a lot of options to choose from, but try to get something that allows for AF control
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/sear...era-body-mount_1595|canon-eos-rf&N=4077634486


Long story short, you are looking at ~430$ if you plan on using the built-in monitor, a pair of the smallest batteries, a charger and an EF-RF adapter for your own lenses (if you have any)
Otherwise, it's at least 1000$ for decent external 7" display and camera power.

Then either upwards of 400$ for an RF lens, or upwards of 50$ for an adapter and alternative lens mount options.

If you don't have any lenses of any kind, better get something between 24-35mm as a general purpose fixed focal length lens and work your way up from there.

If you want to go long with your Zoom lenses, take a look at the stabilised lenses with IS or OS marking as you will probably need it if you are shooting hand-held.

I hope this helps give you an idea.

Nice list Gregory.

One note about chargers. The watson ones are great but if you get the kind which the plates interchange, glue those plates down cause ( at least for me ) those damn plates slide out almost every time you take the battery out.

I think I bought every charger on that page you point to.. and my favorite charger by far for the BP batteries right now is the Dolgin Tc400... It is insanely expensive but it's a workhorse built like a tank and does an awesome job charging them up.

 

[Christopher A. Bell]

I don’t think RED is going to have any problems selling Komodo’s at any of the price points speculated. I mean, I’ve never really seriously considered buying a RED, but this one has my attention. Their problem will be meeting the demand. But, I think psychology the price point of $5999 is the max sweet spot. At that price I think people that may be on-the-fence would go ahead and buy one just because it feels like such a low price. Once you start hitting that $7K($6999) line, it feels like you’re crossing a threshold and spending “real” money.

I have at least three cameras sitting in my office right now that listed for at least $40K or more each, and at a max price of $5999, I’m prepared to buy a Komodo without ever laying my hands on one, BUT if it’s $6999, I’m pumping the brakes and going more into evaluation mode. Do I really need this? Is it going to bring in more work or attract new clients? Is it going to do anything or something that much better than one of my current cameras? Would I be better served by spending that money on something else? Or not spending it at all? Etc...

Obviously, there are way more real factors to pricing it out than just what a bunch of guys on the Internet want, but the market has become very competitive over the last few years and way more sensitive, especially in this price range. And now factor in the effects of the corona virus/corvid-19 on the global supply and manufacturing chain and it’s kind of a ‘perfect storm’ that can rain, at least a little, on almost any company’s parade right now.

 

[Christopher A. Bell]

Nice list Gregory.

One note about chargers. The watson ones are great but if you get the kind which the plates interchange, glue those plates down cause ( at least for me ) those damn plates slide out almost every time you take the battery out.

I think I bought every charger on that page you point to.. and my favorite charger by far for the BP batteries right now is the Dolgin Tc400... It is insanely expensive but it's a workhorse built like a tank and does an awesome job charging them up.

Yes, Dolgin chargers are really good. Kinda like old Anton Bauer chargers, but for little batteries. I have three. One for my Canon/C300 batts and two for Sony BP-U style batts that I run in the mixer bag, now, to keep the size and weight down for my audio guys. The charger for the Canon batts has been plugged in and working 24/7 for probably at least seven years.

 

[Bob Gundu]

Those Dolgin chargers are tanks. I bought one for my DVX100 back in the day.

 

[Kevin T]

Got mine this morning when I woke up

To bad I forgot to switch printing profiles and it wasnt a clean print and missing fine detail (way to fast and had a few things turned off)

 

[Robert P Eagleton]

Gregory thanks for the Info

Yes I have read all 400+ pages of this posting, was able to gleen a lot fom it.

Will follow up on the leads that I get from people with experience.

Don't want it to turn into a money pit,as it will be a hobby not a profession.It will be money spent and not returning any monetized profit.

 

[Brian Boyer]

It was said that Hydrogen owners would get $1k discount. It was also said that Komodo was not under $5K unless you own a Hydrogen.

So unless that information is outdated, it leads me to believe it'll be $4950 for Hydrogen owners and $5950 for non-Hydrogen owners. Those seem like very RED numbers to me.

Perhaps you're right. Keep in mind, I'm almost always wrong when it comes to guessing what RED is up to. Was it explicitly said Hydrogen owners would get a $1K discount or did people just do the math themselves and assume it was right based on what they cost? Maybe RED was planning to cover cost + inconvenience + reward the leap of faith, which would make the discount more than $1K.

I'm just taking into account everything Jarred has been trying to tell people about what the camera is and isn't from the very beginning. Despite his best efforts, people keep insisting he's wrong about the camera he designed and who it's actually for. It is and has always been a camera designed for the high end of filmmaking. Yes, drones and gimbals are used by individual shooters and low-budget projects. However, the crash cam aspect kinda gives it away to me. Productions that can afford to demolish vehicles and blow things up are, by their nature, working at a much higher level in terms of cost, logistics and safety. $7K is peanuts for the level of quality and adaptability they're getting shoved into a tiny box they can put almost anywhere, knowing they're just going to beat the shit out of it (or several). It's not the entry-level, budget-minded competitor to Z-Cam and the Pocket 6K that people keep wanting it to be. I think RED will get the price as low as they can, given all they've managed to squeeze into the little beastie. However, people should be prepared to "discover" that Komodo was not (GASP!) developed specifically for them and their limited funds. Even after all that has been said, if the camera is $6,499 or more, there will be those people who bitch about the price and claim they were misled. Like I said, maybe I'm wrong. I'll be pleasantly surprised, while keeping my losing streak intact.

 

[Gregory Karydis]

Nice list Gregory.

One note about chargers. The watson ones are great but if you get the kind which the plates interchange, glue those plates down cause ( at least for me ) those damn plates slide out almost every time you take the battery out.

Excellent idea!
It's been buggin' me for the past 5-6 years and while I "macgyver" everything, it never crossed my mind! Thanks for the tip!

I think I bought every charger on that page you point to.. and my favorite charger by far for the BP batteries right now is the Dolgin Tc400... It is insanely expensive but it's a workhorse built like a tank and does an awesome job charging them up.

Ordered!

 

[David Rasberry]

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Gregory thanks for the Info

Yes I have read all 400+ pages of this posting, was able to gleen a lot fom it.

Will follow up on the leads that I get from people with experience.

Don't want it to turn into a money pit,as it will be a hobby not a profession.It will be money spent and not returning any monetized profit.

Same for me. Hobby cam. Though I have managed to make some past cameras pay for themselves one way or another. Fortunately I have everything to kit out Komodo already except media and a couple of lens adapters.
Price much north of $6k will make it hard to justify. (to the wife. :huh

 

[Tim Daust]

Perhaps you're right. Keep in mind, I'm almost always wrong when it comes to guessing what RED is up to. Was it explicitly said Hydrogen owners would get a $1K discount or did people just do the math themselves and assume it was right based on what they cost? Maybe RED was planning to cover cost + inconvenience + reward the leap of faith, which would make the discount more than $1K.
.

As of two weeks ago Jarred said again with confirmation that the discount for early hydrogen owners is indeed $1,000... you can scroll back - I believe it was around the beginning of feb - first week.

 

[Brian Boyer]

Don't know the price of the camera yet, but the Hydrogen discount is $1000 off of whatever that price turns out to be.

The global supply chain issues wont change the amount of the Hydrogen discount, it just will likely affect the price of the limited run of pre-launch StormTroopers. As we sit, (and don't quote me or I will ban you best case is the stormtrooper costs $900 more, worst case they cost $1400 more if our vendor needs to pull out and move and that would hopefully just add a week to the very fragile 12 week stormtrooper target.

As of two weeks ago Jarred said again with confirmation that the discount for early hydrogen owners is indeed $1,000... you can scroll back - I believe it was around the beginning of feb - first week.

Ok, found it. Thanks. It’s weird that I now remember reading that but not really paying attention to what he said. It still seems like things have changed enough that the initial estimate of <$5K for Hydrogen owners may not be achievable at this point, which is why he can’t give a firm price yet. It might be wise to manage expectations just in case.

 

[Timothy Jones]

Does anyone know if Komodo will have the canon manual focus guide on EF and RF lenses like the canon r and c200?
I love it on the R with the cn-e primes .

 

[Gavin.Benjamin]

This image seems to show that the Monitor can be detached and flipped out. Much like people who were modding the BMP4K monitor to flip out, after it was released....


https://www.instagram.com/p/B85rasc...YftWhnMNagP-VNduHhCxERac_tfflm57rie222eOC9Suo


Obviously this was blown up but perhaps it can be 'removed from its surroundings' in a more finessed way.

Definitely not. one thing with red is that everything they make is very very solid. that would be the Achilles heal of the Komodo if it flipped up. We we are seeing is literally the lcd has been blown out of the body some how

 

[Christoffer Glans]

Does anyone know if Komodo will have the canon manual focus guide on EF and RF lenses like the canon r and c200?
I love it on the R with the cn-e primes .

Red has it with their EF mount so if you use an electronic EF to R mount it should show it.

 

[Gavin.Benjamin]

Yes I understand that. But it appears the pins are all connected on the bottom. Lot of people modded their BMP4K to flip out monitor and then third party companies even started making the hinges and kits...

Yes im aware of that also, like if you own it you can mod it any way you want but as of RED doing that on this model is unlikely as there is no clearance for it to sit back flush it. if you mean making it ,ore of a external thing i guess that is possible. if its for control over the Komodo it is said it has a app any way just no image from what was said last.