KOMODO....

[Bart Oerbekke]

Would you be fine with 5.7K 50fps?

Yeah that sounds fine to me. The crop extra crop would still be small and the resolution still high enough to match 6k if needed. I don't have all the details on hand but are you suggesting that the crop from widescreen is big enough to get a 16:9 5.7k image?

 

[yann LHENORET]

Because you don't want to have to power cycle the camera just as the director is saying "Ok lets shoot this and your saying just a min I just changed batteries and need to wait until the camera powers up." Or the sun is dropping and your low on batteries on the drone and you just land and swap them out one at a time hot swap and take off and get that amazing sunset, instead of landing powering down or being down due to no battery left and then powering up after the change out and watching the last bit of the orange ball drop just before you take off.
Or you have had the camera up for a long time just to make sure everyone is seeing the shot and then your ready to go for the big car crash shot and you think I don't have time to change batteries but they are kind of low and maybe we will go any second and you think Hey I can hot swap with out having to power down the camera and you put on fresh batteries and have the most amazing shot of the car crashing or blowing up or what ever and you didn't have to wait and find out later that the camera ran out of batteries. Or the entire production is waiting for you to power cycle the camera after a battery change.

Thats why you need hot swap and 2 batteries.

I totally agree on that, I didn't realize the freedom it offered.
Hope the UI will offer better indication of batt level than just a four segment icon...

 

[David Rasberry]

Yeah that sounds fine to me. The crop extra crop would still be small and the resolution still high enough to match 6k if needed. I don't have all the details on hand but are you suggesting that the crop from widescreen is big enough to get a 16:9 5.7k image?

We only know frame rates for what Jarred posted for his Stormtrooper Komodo. We don't know what the actual size of the sensor is and therefore what crop factors will be for lower resolution modes, nor do we know precisely what lower resolution modes and frame rates will be. Is full frame 3:2 or 16:9? Is WS 2:1 or 2.4:1?

You should be good then. Pretty safe to say after beating on the stormtrooper all day today you can expect full sensor 6k 40fps, 6k WS @ 50fps. Which means 4k @60fps shouldn't be a problem, but I have not actually tested that yet. And yes, that's all in global shutter mode.

 

[Jarred Land]

We only know frame rates for what Jarred posted for his Stormtrooper Komodo. We don't know what the actual size of the sensor is and therefore what crop factors will be for lower resolution modes, nor do we know precisely what lower resolution modes and frame rates will be. Is full frame 3:2 or 16:9? Is WS 2:1 or 2.4:1?

You don't need to fear the crop factor like you did with Raven or (black magic 6k or the Z2 6k ) and the other "smaller" s35 sensors... Komodo has a whole new pixel remember and the physical sensor is much wider than all of those, 27.03mm x 14.25mm. So if you do need to crop to get to where you need to go, you are starting with much more width to get there which will be kinder to your optics.

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

And there we have sensor dimensions. Thanks, Jarred.

Can’t wait to get my hands on one of these!

 

[Misha Engel]

27.03mm x 14.25mm, I'm all ears and eyes now.

 

[Bastien Tribalat]

You don't need to fear the crop factor like you did with Raven or (black magic 6k or the Z2 6k ) and the other "smaller" s35 sensors... Komodo has a whole new pixel remember and the physical sensor is much wider than all of those, 27.03mm x 14.25mm. So if you do need to crop to get to where you need to go, you are starting with much more width to get there which will be kinder to your optics.

I suppose the numbers are 6144x3160 ?
And thanks for the update. I'm more and more hyped.

 

[Jarred Land]

Jarred,

Are we to a point where we can talk about or solidify the function of the H1 with Komodo? Is it a monitor, wireless or hardwired, will the H1 offer another function in combination with Komodo other than placing and pricing? I feel like its back in that place, it will monitor DSMC2, no it won’t, it will with a wire, I’m testing out this wired setup guys, I’ll report back soon. And total denial.....

I don’t know what the deal is when it come to that damn phone, yeah that way.... but we can never seem to get clear concise information. Please drop the science on H1 and Komodo.

Thank you

That's not really fair.. Sure, Hydrogen posted some specs before release that suggested the phone could do some sort of monitoring, But there was no denial from me or my team.. I was very clear as soon as the question was asked to me and RED ( camera ) that it would not and never be able to. multiple times. I never said I was testing wired options.. I think that was some h4vuser customers trying those out.

 

[Fahnon Bennett]

You don't need to fear the crop factor like you did with Raven or (black magic 6k or the Z2 6k ) and the other "smaller" s35 sensors... Komodo has a whole new pixel remember and the physical sensor is much wider than all of those, 27.03mm x 14.25mm. So if you do need to crop to get to where you need to go, you are starting with much more width to get there which will be kinder to your optics.

Does this mean that the sensor is larger than Dragon X/Scarlet W (25.6mm x 13.5mm)? Or does the raw sensor size not translate into recording modes?

 

[Jarred Land]

I suppose the numbers are 6144x3160 ?
And thanks for the update. I'm more and more hyped.

Close... 6144 x 3240

 

[Jiri Vrozina]

You don't need to fear the crop factor like you did with Raven or (black magic 6k or the Z2 6k ) and the other "smaller" s35 sensors... Komodo has a whole new pixel remember and the physical sensor is much wider than all of those, 27.03mm x 14.25mm. So if you do need to crop to get to where you need to go, you are starting with much more width to get there which will be kinder to your optics.

APS-c.....hmmm
So with Speedbooster one might get Full Frame. Interesting.

 

[David Rasberry]

That's not really fair.. Sure, Hydrogen posted some specs before release that suggested the phone could do some sort of monitoring, But there was no denial from me or my team.. I was very clear as soon as the question was asked to me and RED ( camera ) that it would not and never be able to. multiple times. I never said I was testing wired options.. I think that was some h4vuser customers trying those out.

So to clarify: No to wireless monitoring via phone, yes to wired monitoring via USB cradle+phone?

 

[David Collard]

27.03mm x 14.25mm, I'm all ears and eyes now.

Vertical height of 14.25mm is shorter than I imagined, considering the photo with a Hawk 2X anamorphic.
However, It does have close to twice the horizontal size/ratio necessary for anamorphic. Am I missing something?

 

[David Rasberry]

Close... 6144 x 3240

So roughly .0044 pixel size? FF aspect ratio 1.89:1 standard theatrical wide screen format.

 

[Phil Holland]

Close... 6144 x 3240

You don't need to fear the crop factor like you did with Raven or (black magic 6k or the Z2 6k ) and the other "smaller" s35 sensors... Komodo has a whole new pixel remember and the physical sensor is much wider than all of those, 27.03mm x 14.25mm. So if you do need to crop to get to where you need to go, you are starting with much more width to get there which will be kinder to your optics.

Here's a good way to visualize Komodo's sensor size now that Jarred's dropped those details.

Komodo 6K compared to Dragon-X 5K S35:
http://phfx.com/tools/formatCompare/formatCompare_NEW.cgi?&makeA=RED&modelA=Komodo%206K&formatA=6K%20FF&makeB=RED&modelB=Dragon-X%205K%20S35&formatB=5K%20FF&

Here's Komodo 6K compared to Monstro 8K VV at 5.5K FF:
http://phfx.com/tools/formatCompare/formatCompare.cgi?makeA=RED&modelA=Komodo+6K&formatA=6K+FF&makeB=RED&modelB=Monstro+8K+VV&formatB=5.5K+FF&focalLengths=

And relevant to the film formats, here is Komodo 6K compared to Super 35mm 3-perf:
http://phfx.com/tools/formatCompare/formatCompare.cgi?makeA=RED&modelA=Komodo+6K&formatA=6K+FF&makeB=Kodak&modelB=Film&formatB=Super+35mm+3-Perf&focalLengths=


What you get with Komodo 6K is as Super 35mm Plus format size (wider) that is slightly larger than Dragon/Monstro at 5K FF format/resolution, slightly smaller than both of those in 5.5K FF.

Interesting stuff. When I was filming mainly on Dragon 6K (all the stuff I shot for Absolut, BMW, Sharp, etc) I was using 5.5K FF as the main format as the general image circle for S35 lenses was/is designed around the typical spec for S35 4-perf. Komodo kinda lives in there.

So glass-wise, you can use whatever you want on it when it comes to larger format coverage, but S35-wise and APS-C or whatever you can put some really small glass on there.

 

[Jarred Land]

So to clarify: No to wireless monitoring via phone, yes to wired monitoring via USB cradle+phone?

As I said before, I am not going to conform specs until I am actually holding it in my hands and it's working

That is how this peek behind the curtain needs to work, It's the best way, really the only way, to separate dreams from reality.

 

[Robert Parkin]

Here's a good way to visualize Komodo's sensor size now that Jarred's dropped those details.

Komodo 6K compared to Dragon-X 5K S35:
http://phfx.com/tools/formatCompare/formatCompare_NEW.cgi?&makeA=RED&modelA=Komodo%206K&formatA=6K%20FF&makeB=RED&modelB=Dragon-X%205K%20S35&formatB=5K%20FF&

Here's Komodo 6K compared to Monstro 8K VV at 5.5K FF:
http://phfx.com/tools/formatCompare/formatCompare.cgi?makeA=RED&modelA=Komodo+6K&formatA=6K+FF&makeB=RED&modelB=Monstro+8K+VV&formatB=5.5K+FF&focalLengths=

And relevant to the film formats, here is Komodo 6K compared to Super 35mm 3-perf:
http://phfx.com/tools/formatCompare/formatCompare.cgi?makeA=RED&modelA=Komodo+6K&formatA=6K+FF&makeB=Kodak&modelB=Film&formatB=Super+35mm+3-Perf&focalLengths=


What you get with Komodo 6K is as Super 35mm Plus format size (wider) that is slightly larger than Dragon/Monstro at 5K FF format/resolution, slightly smaller than both of those in 5.5K FF.

Interesting stuff. When I was filming mainly on Dragon 6K (all the stuff I shot for Absolut, BMW, Sharp, etc) I was using 5.5K FF as the main format as the general image circle for S35 lenses was/is designed around the typical spec for S35 4-perf. Komodo kinda lives in there.

So glass-wise, you can use whatever you want on it when it comes to larger format coverage, but S35-wise and APS-C or whatever you can put some really small glass on there.

This is the perfect size/resolution for S35 in my opinion, very happy to see Red finally land here and hopefully they can put a similar sensor in DSMC2/3. Thanks Jarred, may finally have an upgrade to my Dragon 6K!

 

[David Rasberry]

As I said before, I am not going to conform specs until I am actually holding it in my hands and it's working

That is how this peek behind the curtain needs to work, It's the best way, really the only way, to separate dreams from reality.

Thanks jarred, understood.

 

[Vladimir Eugene]

Canon batteries, Redvolts?

 

[Curren Sheldon]

Here's a good way to visualize Komodo's sensor size now that Jarred's dropped those details.

Komodo 6K compared to Dragon-X 5K S35:
http://phfx.com/tools/formatCompare/formatCompare_NEW.cgi?&makeA=RED&modelA=Komodo%206K&formatA=6K%20FF&makeB=RED&modelB=Dragon-X%205K%20S35&formatB=5K%20FF&

Here's Komodo 6K compared to Monstro 8K VV at 5.5K FF:
http://phfx.com/tools/formatCompare/formatCompare.cgi?makeA=RED&modelA=Komodo+6K&formatA=6K+FF&makeB=RED&modelB=Monstro+8K+VV&formatB=5.5K+FF&focalLengths=

And relevant to the film formats, here is Komodo 6K compared to Super 35mm 3-perf:
http://phfx.com/tools/formatCompare/formatCompare.cgi?makeA=RED&modelA=Komodo+6K&formatA=6K+FF&makeB=Kodak&modelB=Film&formatB=Super+35mm+3-Perf&focalLengths=


What you get with Komodo 6K is as Super 35mm Plus format size (wider) that is slightly larger than Dragon/Monstro at 5K FF format/resolution, slightly smaller than both of those in 5.5K FF.

Interesting stuff. When I was filming mainly on Dragon 6K (all the stuff I shot for Absolut, BMW, Sharp, etc) I was using 5.5K FF as the main format as the general image circle for S35 lenses was/is designed around the typical spec for S35 4-perf. Komodo kinda lives in there.

So glass-wise, you can use whatever you want on it when it comes to larger format coverage, but S35-wise and APS-C or whatever you can put some really small glass on there.

Super helpful, thanks Phil!

Plan on adding the Komodo to your format compare soon? I'd love to see what the crop (compared to full-frame, like the C500II) would be shooting at 5K FF and 4K FF on the Komodo will be and how the wider sensor will affect that.