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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

ISO, ISO...

Looks good Jim. Any chance we could see footage of it rather than stills? Even just a couple of seconds at HD. It's easier to get a handle on noise and low light perfomance when seeing frame after frame.

Thanks
Paul
 
Bravo.
Just tried dropping the blue a bit on the dark end and crushing the blacks. No noise reduction yet, and very usable.
Of course, I could live with just an unbeatable 1600 - 2000 iso... (this is what I would love to be the MX's 'recommended' range)

With the new changes, is there still the problem of less accurate color you mentioned earlier? (when going above 1000)

Though filming in candlelight changes the nature of film making in a way.
Now we can film what we see , not create fake lighting simulations to approximate what we would see.
 
Has anyone begun to think about the implications of this for video of live theater? I'm blown away. This is truly a revolution being exposed in real time. What a great time to be alive. I think the picture at the top of this thread will have historic importance.
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi Jim,

Any idea where the 'purple' flame comes from?

Best

Stephen
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Stephen,

normally you would get lens flare at any similar situation with candles.

Have a look at the same flares at this comparison test between RED1 and Canon 7D

LINK>>>
 
I-Pod lit image:

How spatially and temporally correlated is the noise frame to frame and pixel to pixel? Will a median filter take out some of this and will a inter-frame (.25, .5, .25 weighted) average filter take some of this out or are you already doing all this to get the awesome performance we are seeing here?

Is it just me, or does the noise look red, with a little green, and hardly any blue?
 
Thanks for sharing - pretty impressive results. I can't wait for this new sensor ...

Oh, and at least with the candle shot I can reverse engineer what the Foot candles are. ;)

Keep up the good work!
 
Jim wife: darling, Have you seen my phone?

HAHAHAHHAA! was a 5600º or 3200º Iphone troch????!!! ;-)

Can´t wait to see this in motion, If this 4000 sub-noise isn´t very crispy then stop testing and starts mass production. Please.
 
Jannard said:
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I´ve think cohibas are prohibited in USA?? :emote_couch:

I really love them.
 
Like always, I just want to say! What is happening to the Red Camera (The Epic) is a CONTINUOUS ROLLING ADVANCEMENT, that once it finished (and we don’t know when it will be) it’s just simply GREAT!

There are so many things being put into the Second Generation (or incarnation) of the Red Camera that it’s difficult to put your finger in just one thing. It’s like a giant octopus developing (or growing) into different parts all at once.

The is of course the continuing ISO rating of the Camera that is close to an Incident Light Metter, that continuous to roll forward form 800 and up to 4,000 where it’s now, but only God and Red know where it will stop.

The Software advancements in the New Color Space, the New Gamma, keeping the Old Legacy, the New FLUT, improvements to REDCINE-X, and the list goes on!

Let’s not forget the most important thing The Camera Itself, with its modular designed, that has to be the most important of all the IMPROVEMENTS OF ALL!

And the ancillary development by third parties into super fast lenses that fit the 32 mm (31.26 mm) ACTIVE PIXEL ARRAY Image diagonal (at last count) of the Red Epic is just astronomical i.e. Red Pro Primes T1.8, Master Primes T1.3, The band Pro “Mystery” lenses T1.4, The New Cook 5/I T1.4, The Luma Tech Illumina S35 Lenses T1.3, and God knows what else.

To Jim, Jarred, Ted, Stuart, Matt, Graeme, Deanan, Brian, Kelly, Bent, Rob and all the rest of the Team at the Red Digital Cinema Camera Company, Happy Holidays. Keep Up the good work! We’re looking forward to the 13 th of February, 2010!

Humberto Rivera
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
Stephen,

normally you would get lens flare at any similar situation with candles.

Have a look at the same flares at this comparison test between RED1 and Canon 7D

LINK>>>
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Hi,

Shot with candles on film several times, never got those flares. The flare in Jim's shot the candle flame is upside down, I get the feeling it's bounsing off the sensor back onto the back of the lens. Why the color? I.R. Poloution?

Stephen
 
Not to spoil a joke, but a foot candle is a measurement based on a specific type of candle flame, I believe using whale oil. Not all candles are the same, and Jim's candle is likely putting out a weaker light.
 
It's interesting that the first shot seems to go from neutral blacks on the left side of the frame to blue blacks on the right side. What could be the reason for that?
 
I did a quick comparison for those interested
this is not scientific at all.

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and

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reduced noise in shadows is great, but look at the detail in the HIGHLIGHTS from colors in the flame to details in the Chiba tin reflections... Now thats dynamic range!
 
Yeah. The noise control doesn't impress me nearly as much as the range in the highlights. The 5DmkII washes out those highlights, though in my experience is just fine at pulling up shadows.
 
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