Introducing the Panavision DXL

[Mike P.]

Hoping that the next version of dragoncolor has smoother highlight saturation roll-off as well. Would be great if there's a way in-camera to adjust this and ease the pain when shooting uncontrollable, overexposed LEDs on location. Maybe a highlight sat adjustment similar to knee point/slope? Love dragoncolor2 otherwise though.

Could this not be achieved by reducing the tops/shoulder of the r,g,b curves, whilst compensating for brightness via the luma curve, in RCXp (or are you suggesting that doing it before compression would be better)? Alexa footage re-introduces saturation as you pull it down in post, right? The colours of recovered image usually maintain colour consistency with less hassle than RED.

Similarly, I've always thought there should be highlight and shadow control as well as a white-point and black-point control (like how CameraRAW/Lightroom/Photoediting software does it), but I think Graeme said it doesn't work as well in motion (though CinemaDNGs out of BM cameras do it just fine.) It just makes it super easy to recover/maximize DR and contrast before bringing it into the colour bay.

I think all of these tweaks are known and should've been implemented ages ago, which leads me to think there's something preventing it.

 

[Marc Wielage]

Alexa footage re-introduces saturation as you pull it down in post, right? The colours of recovered image usually maintain colour consistency with less hassle than RED.

It depends on how you pull it down. In the case of Resolve, curves, Log controls, Primary controls, Highlights, Pivot, Shadows... there's a lot of different ways to bring images down, and not all of them induce chroma. It's also possible to manipulate Luma separately from Chroma in some cases; in Resolve, that's with the Lum Mix control set to 0. In the case of Alexa Log-C material, I just eyeball it and go. I have some premade PowerGrades that I created that mimic a mild Arri LUT without causing any shoulder or toe damage in the signal.

Similarly, I've always thought there should be highlight and shadow control as well as a white-point and black-point control (like how CameraRAW/Lightroom/Photoediting software does it), but I think Graeme said it doesn't work as well in motion (though CinemaDNGs out of BM cameras do it just fine.) It just makes it super easy to recover/maximize DR and contrast before bringing it into the colour bay.

My advice is not to use Redcine-X Pro for anything except dailies. If you need to really dig into the signal and create a look, use a real color-correction program like Baselight, Mistka, Nucoda, Pablo, or Resolve. Otherwise, it's kind of like carving up a roast turkey with a screwdriver: you might be able to do it, given enough time and effort, but it'd be a helluva lot easier to do with an electric carving knife.

 

[Hrvoje Simic]

Could this not be achieved by reducing the tops/shoulder of the r,g,b curves, whilst compensating for brightness via the luma curve, in RCXp

No.

Alexa footage re-introduces saturation as you pull it down in post, right?

That doesn't have anything to do with Alexa, that is related to image manipulation properties, and as Marc wrote, pretty much depends on what and how was done. Alexa affects some image parameters differently to every other camera. The footage doesn't do anything, the colorist does.

 

[jake blackstone]

My advice is not to use Redcine-X Pro for anything except dailies. If you need to really dig into the signal and create a look, use a real color-correction program like Baselight, Mistka, Nucoda, Pablo, or Resolve.

What, no love for Lustre?:nads:

 

[Marc Wielage]

What, no love for Lustre?:nads:

I left that out! You're absolutely right, Lustre is a totally legit program for color-correction. They're so low-key, I forget it's out there. But it's a great system capable of great work.

 

[Ketch Rossi]

I just posted a Video of one of the very first Panavision Millennium DXL VV8K tests done last year with one of the three existing prototypes (at that time). http://www.reduser.net/forum/showth...navision-DXL-Millennium&p=1779277#post1779277