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I'm afraid of Scarlet

Gene Crucean said:
IMy point is that most people can't afford a 30-40k setup for a single camera. Let alone a couple.
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Of course... There are obviously different tools for different jobs and different markets.

Just as many can't afford a RED One, there are plenty who can't afford an EX1 with 35mm adapter, or even just a bare EX1.

You can bet that if Scarlet is a stand-alone camera (and I assume it is), that there will be people hooking it up to just about anything. There will be 35mm adapters being used on it. I'm just saying that I don't think this is going to be the primary intended market for this camera. 35mm adapted HD cameras are still a relatively small niche compared to the bulk of the market.

Most of us are just wild-ass-guessing about what Scarlet will be. I think my whole take on Scarlet is that RED is not trying to target a market niche like 35mm adapted cameras. That doesn't (in my line of thinking) make sense for RED to do. Yes, I'm sure someone will hook a Scarlet up to a 35mm adapter almost immediately after they begin shipping.

To me Scarlet says covert, run-n-gun, helmet mount, crash cam. If it can fit in my pocket and shoot HD-res (hopefully 1080p+), but more importantly give me REDCODE RAW. Then I just found my new favorite camera for home movies, mounting on motorcycles, BMX bikes, wakeboards, surf boards, skate boards, helmets, airplane cockpits and hobby rockets.

If it's something entirely different, then great! I'm sure I can find a way to use whatever that is too.
 
Finner said:
All I am saying is most everyone here knows squat about this camera so what I prepose is really just as viable as any other speculation. It may not be what some want to hear but quite often a persons desires and what is fact is quite different.
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Exactly. I thought the "what if it's a 4K lipstick camera?" statement someone made a week or so back was perfect. While I don't think that's what Scarlet is, there is definitely a possibility of such things and it seemed to get a lot of people thinking along some different lines.

Not to pick on anyone directly or any one group, but it seems to me the crowd that is most vocal about what they want Scarlet to be are the "can't quite afford a RED One people". But I think that's because these people already have an interest in RED and are here because of RED One. They're hoping to see a "mini-RED" at a lower price point. Entirely understandable, I sympathize with them. But I don't think that's what Scarlet is.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
"can't quite afford a RED One people"
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I'm one of those. If Red One took the $100,000+ camera market and challenged it with a $17,000 camera, I think that we are all hoping that Red takes the $20,000 camera market and does the same. Just imagine if they took the same approach to the ICONIX based market.

Of course its all wishful thinking. We all want our dreams to come true, and if in time I don't get what I want, I'll buy a Red One. Actually I've been looking at it already.
 
scarlet is 2k camera no doubt in it and also SLR lens can connect on it am sure on jimm. he will give a verry biG shocKKKK... just wait and see till april 14 th....
 
Has anyony considered taking Jim literally when he said Motion Capture camera? As in Mocap of an actors motion into a datastream? To do that well is expensive with todays techniques.

I'm usually totally wrong at predicting things, but hey, you never know.
 
I thought of the MoCap possibility when Jim said that. But I'm thinking not... They have said they plan to sell lots of these. MoCap, in its current form anyway, is a small niche. Unless they have found a way to revolutionize that... Anything is possible.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
I thought of the MoCap possibility when Jim said that. But I'm thinking not... They have said they plan to sell lots of these. MoCap, in its current form anyway, is a small niche. Unless they have found a way to revolutionize that... Anything is possible.
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Jeff I figured that, but with all the BS flying around here, I feel I should contribute my fair share. hehehehe. :)

I wish I knew more though. Sony is offering a 12 month 0% lease with a $1.00 buyout on Sony products from authorized
resellers that ends March 31. Makes that EX1 very tempting and keeps my cash freed up.
 
everybody seems to forget the real revolution :RAW

if the Scarlet camera can provide RAW it will be enough for a lot of us whatever the specs of the camera are or will be .RAW is the key.

(Sorry for my english)
 
i think the RED company primarily is JIMs 'toy' making company. Jim will ultimately use RED ONE to film car races outside the tracks and mount SCARLET in racers helmet to film the racers perspective 'inside' the race. Don't believe, check this out http://www.jimjannard.com/about.html

disclaimer: i love you jim!

p/s : ok... that was a bit gay. but hey, WTF!
 
I do think some of the requirements people have are a bit odd.

To me, it's a run and gun style camera, so it fits in the pocket, has non-interchangeable lenses (because they would add enormously to cost and bulk) and uses either the full 4k sensor or a cut down version of it, depending on the sensor's physical size. It has autofocus with a manual override. It is "professional" in that there is a manual override for everything, but it's still designed as a largely automatic camera.

The thought occurs to me that Jim is a lot like Steve Jobs. Steve style marketing is to build anticipation for the big event, in this case NAB. He's deliberately withholding information from us to make us think and salivate. He's building expectations, and you can virtually guarantee we will be at the edge of our seats at NAB or listening in to the message boards to see what he's put together. And he even has his own rumor site in reduser, where people create intriguing speculations!

Jim truly has become the Apple Computer of the camera biz. I think it's a fabulous and impressive position, especially after only 2.5 years of admittedly herculean work and millions of dollars invested.

D
 
gaoptimize said:
Hi,

If you look at the enablers of Moore's Law in other sphere's of electronics, video camera technology/price/size is far behind.
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But there is also Laguun´s Law, contradicting Moores Law.
It basically states that any storage device, no matter which capacity, will be filled to 90% within 6 months.
 
PerfectOptics said:
Here is what i'm afraid of:

The requests people are posting are pretty crazy. People are asking for a S16 or 35mm sensor that can record 60frames at 2k, fit in your pocket with autofocus and use variable lenses while recording to CF cards.
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Yes. BTW, 4K recording would be useful too.
 
I'd like to make a quick point:

People and companies in our business seem to get quite indignant when myself and many others request a 35mm imaging chip (except RED who delivered what we wanted).

A 35mm 24/25/30P chip is not difficult to make if ultra high definition is not required, a lower pixel count will do for a great number of shooters.

A 1920x1080 35mm chip could easily be made and would have tremendous advantages as the 1080 pixel count spread out over a 35mm area could give absolutely fantastic low-light/low noise level performance. Basically the larger pixels can capture more light. (note even with an extreme VistaVision frame size a 1080 chip could still have ~55-65pixels per mm)

On top of this a 1080 pixel count on a 35mm chip would need no high data-rate/bandwidth technologies for chip read-out meaning that these cameras could still be small and not be power hungry.

So basically I have no problem with anyone wanting a 35mm chip to work with
as IMO there's no difficulty with this other than manufacturers intransigence.

RED's ultra high def 4k image niche is motion picture quality at an accessible price for budget squeezed commercial film makers.

Scarlet, on the other hand, could give super low light level and 35mm DOF performance to the 1080/2k ultra low budget market plus be the digital equivalent of crash cams.

That said the advantage of small chip sizes are deeper DOF (good for less experienced shooters) and being able to build small lenses with tremendous zoom ranges - which I suspect will be the clincher for a number of users.

JohnF
 
small enough?

small enough?

Look at this:

productimages1.jpg

http://www.iconixvideo.com/products.html

a 1080P mini camera with interchangeable lenses !
it can record in 14-Bit Quantization (1080P)
output 4:4:4 RGB

If they can do it, I'm sure RED can do it also, I hope only a lot cheaper :-)
 
zerrax said:
Look at this:

productimages1.jpg

http://www.iconixvideo.com/products.html

a 1080P mini camera with interchangeable lenses !
it can record in 14-Bit Quantization (1080P)
output 4:4:4 RGB

If they can do it, I'm sure RED can do it also, I hope only a lot cheaper :-)
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Even with all of this you still don't have a recording deck. All that is just a camera head and a controller, correct? At with 1/4 sensors, not really what I'm looking for. I'd rather get an EX1 and "make it work" for the situation.
 
My only concern here is the imaging chip of the new Scarlet. I understand that the existing RedOne digital cinema camera uses CMOS Mysterium imaging sensors & that ALL CMOS sensors suffer from some degree of rolling shutter effect. Perhaps Jim has minimised as much as possible the rolling shutter effect in the RedOne. How about the new Scarlet camera? Will there be noticable rolling-shutter effects, which are undesirable? If there is, will it be obviously perceptible to the human eye? Will the Scarlet use some sort of a Global shutter to illiminate rolling shutter completely? Has Jim improved on the new imaging sensor for the Scarlet so that rolling shutter will be almost imperceptable? Jim, any comments??
 
Eugene said:
I am afraid you paid too much, for that Red One. Scarlet will be better, chaper, and faster than its predecessor. Works great, less filling; Red lite.
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You've got to be stoned..:) lol jk
 
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