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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Guy trades in his RED for an A-Minima

Not that I have any concerns, but it might be a nice conversation for me to start so as to try to learn a bit more about it, so... where do the differences lie in color reproduction?

I guess with the added bit-depth we will get a big bump in the right direction. I wonder though if the rest of it is in part the way that Red Code is generated? Or is it just the sensor itself?
 
Cüneyt Kaya said:
the post hassle will go away with the rocket. when he doesnt like the look, well, who cares, its his taste.
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I really don't get it with the "RED is so much complicated in post". I just checked and it is now over a year, I edited and out-put 4k RED on my imac!
Sure, I did offline 1k, pre color corrected, then rendered via redcine all in 4k pro-res - final cc - finished. I did it all in fcp, I had no problems worth mentioning. Well, see what the guy get's for his 16mm cam in a year or two, when his friends all shot RED and he can't tell the difference:)
 
I know him and he was happy with the RED but still prefers film. I don't blame him. I do a lot of the times as well.

It is different shooting RED, no post prod can change that (but you can get close). These days I can tell if something is shot with RED. If you don't like it you don't, so be it.

PS I like RED and love shooting with mine, but i do like film more. It's just more convenient and cost effective to shoot RED (most of the time).
 
You can get easy 16mm look from RED1 but opposite from 16mm to get look of RED1 is impossible.

The guy is obviously living in his "own world" which I have doubts that he can sell it with this 16mm stuff.

But probably he is not only one...
 
Brian D. Goff said:
I really don't get it with the "RED is so much complicated in post". I just checked and it is now over a year, I edited and out-put 4k RED on my imac!
Sure, I did offline 1k, pre color corrected, then rendered via redcine all in 4k pro-res - final cc - finished. I did it all in fcp, I had no problems worth mentioning. Well, see what the guy get's for his 16mm cam in a year or two, when his friends all shot RED and he can't tell the difference:)
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I didn't think FCP handled the full 4k ie 4000pixies not 4096. Does it now?
 
I owned and loved my A-minima, my brother and I shot 1000s upon 1000s of feet with it but my patience wore thin dealing with short reels and swapping out etc. Its still a great camera and I kept the wooden handle from the kit to adapt to my RED. ;)
 
weirdcrew said:
I know him and he was happy with the RED but still prefers film. I don't blame him. I do a lot of the times as well.



I concur Fred. It's easier and more graceful to shoot neg. But with more than 50% of my gigs now on Red it's in my interest to work twice as hard to get it looking as estheticaly pleasing as film. I am counting on the technology to eventually surpass emulsion. Then, we shall truly be pioneering different looks.
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Cost of buying film for fun: I don't want to know
Cost and PAIN IN THE ASS of dealing transfer: not something I would EVER want to do
Cost of having someone besides me deal with color on the transfer: Never
Cost of shooting RED and editing any way I want with cs4 and making my own "film looks" however I want: priceless
 
what people seem to NEVER "get" is the simple fact that it's in POST you make your image come alive along with on-set lighting. Period. end of story. My brother and I can make RED look ANY WAY WE LIKE. gotta know your toolset in POST!!!!

argg...
 
I'm happy to shoot either on our RED OR on film. At this point I really have no preference which says a lot for RED.

But Obin, what you're saying doesn't make any sense. If you're on a project where someone else is doing the transfer and CC if you shot film, then handling the RED DI and CC would ALSO be out of your hands on the same project shot on RED right? I don't understand how shooting RED automatically gives you more personal control as a DP.
 
obin said:
Cost of buying film for fun: I don't want to know
Cost and PAIN IN THE ASS of dealing transfer: not something I would EVER want to do
Cost of having someone besides me deal with color on the transfer: Never
Cost of shooting RED and editing any way I want with cs4 and making my own "film looks" however I want: priceless
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We'll assume you're the exception, but most filmmakers are not competent to be their own colorists, except in their own estimation, so CS4 at home is not necessarily money saved, or saved wisely.

It's true that buying film "for fun" is expensive, but most uses of 16mm are not recreational. There's either a business model for your productions, or there isn't. If your purposes are recreational, Red will also be ridiculously expensive.

If you've decided you prefer film, buying it, dropping it off at the lab and picking up your dailies isn't a terrible burden. And you don't have to send the director, the writer, the star, the editor or the colorist. Just about anyone can run these errands.


obin said:
what people seem to NEVER "get" is the simple fact that it's in POST you make your image come alive along with on-set lighting. Period. end of story.
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So I guess narrative filmmakers for the first 100 years or so didn't "get" it, and all the movies up to about the present time were ugly and worthless. But now, suddenly, they're beautiful and brilliant, thanks to previously unavailable software. "End of story", for sure.
 
Wow, a thread about me!

Its not that I dont like shooting digital, I like it a lot (and I still shoot with the Red often)- but I like shooting film more.

I have this idea that shooting film on projects make them turn out better, not necessarily because film will always look better, but because you better manage your image making decisions when its costing you by the minute- and I just love the feeling of finally seeing the picture in telecine, its really rewarding.

Its all personal preference, you can shoot whatever you want.
 
Hunter, we will now shove an apple in your mouth and proceed to turn you, slowly, over the fire. :thumbsup:

Serious though, that was gorgeous stuff! I really enjoyed it.
What lens/es did you use?
 
I own a RED.

I still prefer the look of film.

But I don't have control over the budgets on the projects I shoot. Film is not always financially viable. For me, RED is a replacement for HD. Sometimes an argument can be made for S16 over HD even?

On an upcoming project I am shooting on an F900 because they can't afford the additional post workflow requirements of RED.

I'll make any format look good though! :thumbsup:

Red can't touch film yet.

Nice stuff hunter...
 
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