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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Group Purchase for O'Connor etc.

O'Connor Pricing

O'Connor Pricing

As promised…

1030HD Head Only $3417.75 (group) $4068.95 (bh) = $651.20 (16.00%) difference
1030HD Head Only $3671.00 (group) $4352.95 (bh) = $681.95 (15.67%) difference
2060HD Head Only $6427.00 (group) $7649.95 (bh) = $1222.95 (15.99%) difference
2575C Head Only $8463.50 (group) $9837.95 (bh) = $1374.45 (13.97%) difference

1030HD Package $4406.00 (group) $5244.95 (bh) = $838.95 (16.00%) difference
Mini European quick release with camera mounting plate
34 degree bend handle
Extension handle
100mm ball base
Required 100mm tie down

1030HDS Package $4659.00 (group) $5369.95 (bh) = $710.95 (13.24%) difference
Mini European quick release with camera mounting plate
34 degree bend handle
Extension handle
100mm ball base
Required 100mm tie down

2060HD Package $8121.75 (group) $9376.50 (bh) = $1254.75 (13.38%) difference
Mini European quick release with camera mounting plate
30 degree bend handle
Extension handle
150mm ball base
Required 150mm tie down

2575C Package $10157.70 (group) $11777.95 (bh) = $1620.25 (13.76%) difference
Mini European quick release with camera mounting plate
30 degree bend handle
Extension handle
Mitchell base
Mitchell tie down

25L Carbon Fiber 2-stage Tripod $1738.00 (group) $2049.95 (bh) = $311.95 (15.22%) difference
Includes spreader

35L Carbon Fiber 1-stage Tripod $1594.00 (group) $1899.95 (bh) = $305.95 (16.10%) difference
Includes 2 position spreader

Cine HD Tripod $1600 (group) 1879.95 (bh) = $279.95 (14.89%) difference
Mitchell or 150mm
Spreader sold separately

Cine HD Baby Tripod $1600 (group) 1879.95 (bh) = $279.95 (14.89%) difference
Mitchell or 150mm
Spreader sold separately
 
Next Step

Next Step

Something I have learned… Most published prices have already been discounted from the list price so the discount you see for the “Group Buy” is the discount beyond the discount. Make sense? :)

Next step… Now that the prices have been published if you still want in on the deal please send me a private message (PM) letting me know exactly what product(s) you wish to purchase. We need to have enough participants to make the buy and if we have more than enough we will get some additional savings. I will keep everyone posted on the status.

PS: Please do not send me any credit card or purchasing information. If we accumulate enough participants I will forward everyone the vendor information and you will settle with the vendor directly.

PSS: For all the people wanting Sachtler, Vinten, Miller, Arri etc. give me another day or two to work it out.

I hope everyone finds this to be a good deal.

Best,

Steve
 
2575C Package $10600.00 (group) $11777.95 (bh) = $1177.95 (10.00%) difference
Mini European quick release with camera mounting plate
30 degree bend handle
Extension handle
Mitchell base
Mitchell tie down
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Hi Steve,
Thanks for the effort putting this together. My dealer has already quoted my $10,500 for the same package for a single purchase, so unfortunately I wont be participating.
 
Steve - Thanks for your work.

Is there a time schedule for purchasing you're trying to hit?
 
Lets try this and see how it works out...

By Monday October 15: If you want in on the deal send me a private message (PM) letting me know exactly what product(s) you wish to purchase.

By Tuesday October 16: If we have enough orders I will PM the interested people the vendor contact information.

By Monday October 22: Settle account with the vendor so the order can be placed.

Best,

Steve

Hoffman said:
Steve - Thanks for your work.

Is there a time schedule for purchasing you're trying to hit?
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Advice Needed

Advice Needed

I was leaning toward the 2060 head. So can anyone chime in with tripod recommendations?

Specifically:

- CF versus Aluminum
- Mitchell Base versus 150mm ball (what's the difference and why should I care?)
- Spreader options?
- Viable non-oconnor stick options? (i.e Sachtler 6290 Cine 150 Long)

I will be shooting long-form narrative projects, not run-and-gun/ENG, so being fast and light is not as much a factor as being stable. Also, I was thinking that aluminum might be best if I want to use larger zooms, attach a jib, etc.

Thanks
 
Well done Steve,

Will pm you regarding 1030HD Package & 25L Carbon Fiber 2-stage.

.......it's saving me $2K less freight.

Also I saw in their catalogue they had pretty funky hard cases.
Any idea on prices for cases for 1030HD & 25L sticks?

Thanks again
 
Prices for miscellaneous requests

Prices for miscellaneous requests

I couldn't get these items as part of the O'Connor group purchase discount but here is what the vendor quoted...

Miller Arrow 55 System $4464.00
1 Stage Sprinter Aluminum Tripod
Mid Level Spreader, Feet & Case

Miller Arrow 55 System $5088.00
2 Stage CF ENG Style
Mid Level Spreader, Feet & Case

Miller Arrow 55 System $5402.00
2 Stage CF
1028 Arrow 55 Head

Miller Arrow 55 System $4685.00
1 Stage Alloy HD Tripod
1028 Arrow 55 Head

Miller Arrow 55 System $4464.00
1 Stage Sprinter Aluminum Tripod
Mid Level Spreader, Feet & Case

Miller 100mm Bowl Solo Tripod $747.00

Cartoni A303 $639.95

Sachtler 3012 Cine 30 HD System $8019.00

Sachtler (1861) System 18SB ENG 2D $6143.00

Sachtler (1862) System 18SB ENG 2CF $6143.00

Sachtler (5586) Speedlock CF w/100mm Bowl Top $1465.00

Sachtler (7002) 100 Spreader $302.00

Sachtler (7014) Rubber Feet $291.00

Sachtler (3270) Pan Arm Right $373.00

Kino Flo Gaffer Select Kit $2234.00

Arri 300/650 Fresnel Combo Kit $2333.00

Arri Softbank I Kit $2513.00

Tuff Pak 1132 (hard case) $389.00
(not branded with O’Connor logo)

Petrol PTB-3 (soft case) $130.00
(not branded with O’Connor logo)

PortaBrace TQ-46 $209.00
(not branded with O’Connor logo)

If you absolutely need to have a O’Connor branded case let me know and I will find out what the additional cost is for a case with logo.

Best,

Steve
 
Sheeee ...well done Steve!!
Certainly is a labor of love you're doing here.

Don't know about hard /softcases you listed but the O'Connor soft case fits inside the hardcase. The catalogue prices for the O'Connor 1030/25GL hard case is $407, softcase is $270....!

Cheers,
 
I will do my best to get the prices for the O'Connor hard and soft cases posted by tomorrow.

I might just let someone else do the next group purchase. :biggrin:

david farland said:
Sheeee ...well done Steve!!
Certainly is a labor of love you're doing here.

Don't know about hard /softcases you listed but the O'Connor soft case fits inside the hardcase. The catalogue prices for the O'Connor 1030/25GL hard case is $407, softcase is $270....!

Cheers,
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Sticks 101

Sticks 101

I realize my questions in post #49 are pretty basic, but I really could use some feedback. I've never bought a high-end tripod, so any comments are welcome. I don't want to make a multi-thousand dollar mistake... :help:
 
thinkbug said:
I was leaning toward the 2060 head. So can anyone chime in with tripod recommendations?

Specifically:

- CF versus Aluminum
- Mitchell Base versus 150mm ball (what's the difference and why should I care?)
- Spreader options?
- Viable non-oconnor stick options? (i.e Sachtler 6290 Cine 150 Long)

I will be shooting long-form narrative projects, not run-and-gun/ENG, so being fast and light is not as much a factor as being stable. Also, I was thinking that aluminum might be best if I want to use larger zooms, attach a jib, etc.

Thanks
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CF-legs light and pretty, not as durrable
aluminum-legs heavier, strong and sturdy.

150 ball- 1/2 round ball under head that fits in sachtler 15o ball mount tripod
mitchell- flat with keyway fits flat mitchell mount tripod must be leveled with legs.

Spreaders, yes get them but different people prefer different spreaders

different kinds of sticks depends on what kind of head you buy.

I wish I could say what I am about to without you and a bunch of others taking offence but I have found there are people on here that would rather get mad then learn. Thing is this is basic entry level film 101 stuff we are talking about. You don't know this but you are about to buy one of the more expensive heads on the market? It just doesn't make any sense. What exactly do you plan to do with all this expensive equipment that you do not know how to use?
 
Well taken..........
I'm as green as anybody here. I'm sure every has their own story
I've got a Miller 10/20lb capacity head (which needs a service actually) and feel the type of work I do, it's just isn't smooth enough or takes too long to get that way on a quick setup. So if I got this great camera and can't do the pan/tilts easily... I'm going to look for another known brand, higher quality and obviously higher load.
Or I could just turn your comment around and suggest by your comment you demand less from a tripod than what others demand, and that this isn't related to experience and so on it goes.....

Decent comment thou,

Dave
 
Finner, no offense taken. I'm a Writer/Director, not a DP, looking to make an informed investment. To answer your question, I plan to shoot a feature this Spring as well as other projects (short and long form) that I can put together. I also plan to rent my RED out as a complete package.

I had originally planned to get a cheaper system like the Arrow 55. But after talking to a friend who runs a rental company, and reading the reviews and these boards, seems like Oconnor will be the wisest long-term investment. A system that will hold its value as well as provide great support for the RED-- and an all in all, more attractive rental option.

But... that still doesn't mean I know why I should select Micthell base over 150mm ball (actually I just figured this out). Plus, I also heard from some DPs that while Oconnor has the better heads, Sachtler has the better tripods. So I was thinking mix and match.

As far as aluminum vs. CF goes, I was thinking aluminum is better for feature film productions due to its higher weight capacity.

It sounds like I'm answering my own questions, but I'm really just seeking confirmation from folks with experience shooting movies. Because it is a lot of dough.
 
It really depends on how you will use the gear.
For me I am getting a 2575 w/ alum sticks. We still shoot alot of spots on 35mm and rent this support 10-20x per year and even though the rental costs are moderate the savings in shipping (shipping rental support in w/ each camera rental) will offset the added cost. This way my support can be used w/ Red and with the 435 we rent. I am going aluminum because I need to support the added weight of the 435 body and zoom lenses, dutch heads, etc.

If your uses are strictly for Red, then you can get away with a lighter setup.

I own 2 sets of Sachtlers (18III and 20) both w/ CF sticks and they have held up very well now to extensive use (they are at least 6-10 years old and are used 2-5 days per week)
So dont be afraid of CF...the real difference is the total weight they will support.
 
Thanks digitalfx. I guess I'd rather have higher load capacity than less, just in case. More options for adding, like you said, dutch head, jib, etc. Although I guess i can just rent heavier sticks as needed.

To go with oconnor 2060 head, I was thinking of Sachtler aluminum sticks (150 long) since it looks like it can have a mid-spreader, while the oconnor aluminium only excepts ground (or so it seems).
 
thinkbug said:
Finner, no offense taken. I'm a Writer/Director, not a DP, looking to make an informed investment. To answer your question, I plan to shoot a feature this Spring as well as other projects (short and long form) that I can put together. I also plan to rent my RED out as a complete package.
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Thats what I suspected. I am a director/dp and have a camera on order. The thing I see though is it looks like tons of people with no camera experience and no plans to build camera experience are buying cameras. Isn't it clear that this makes no sense? Why not buy a sound DAT machine or a SPFX fogger? People seem so worried about rentals costing so much but they really won't. Right now the prices people are listing for rentals is way off. If I needed a camera for a shoot tomorrow I could find one no problem and there are only 50 cameras on the market, so demand is not very high for them. What do you think demand will be when there is 500 or 1,000 or more cameras out?

The rental cost or value of something is all supply and demand. If you are a director and don't plan on being a dp then be a director and put your money in your movies. There are so many people buying reds that soon you will be able to find one on every corner renting for very cheap. If you are going to hire a dp for your movie hire an eager new one with a red camera and all the knowledge that goes with outfiting a package properly. If you have a good script and project it would not suprise me at all if you could find a dp and camera combined from free-$500 a day just for the chance to build their reel.

The way so many people with no camera experience are planning to buy cameras it is going to cause havock in the rental industry. People with no camera experience to offer to go along with their camera are not going to be able to rent their camera out. Honestly if you hope to rent the camera out when you are not using it you would be better off buying a camera truck as they will be in much higher demand. That way the person you rent the truck to can drive to the street in LA that will get called "red row" and drive past all the desperate owners trying to rent their cameras and gear for food.

I know that is over the top but seriously I have worked in the film industry for 17 years and never met a director that is not a director/dp that owns a camera or camera gear. It just does not make any sense.

Save your money for a great movie and hire a dp with a red system and save yourself a lot of headache and money.
 
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