Great news! A Production Hold.

[Karl H]

This is good news to me.

When compared to other HD cam's the noise level of Red at high ISO's is already very good. Compared to high end DLSR's however Red is a bit more noisy. So I think this is really good news. I don't know how much of an increase (or more accurately, reduction) we can expect, but I'm happy to wait a few extra weeks to find out.

Red are newcomers to the digital arena, so I think it's expected that they will learn, develop and change hardware/software on a more frequent scale. Someone like Canon have spent years designing sensors and optimizing them. I suspect in 6 months the Red team will find many other ways to improve picture quality, but you have to set the production line rolling at some point.

A 2 week delay is a non issue if it's a significant advancement to the image.

Any word that Birger will follow your design with their Canon Mount (maybe this is why they have been quiet?)

 

[Stephen Williams]

yes I had the same question. Shim free means no hassle when changing from Pl to Nikon or any other?

Hi,

Remember with or without shims the FFD has to be set within +/- 5 microns.

Stephen

 

[Mike Zinner]

Nice! I was a bit worried about the mount situation.

 

[Michael Hastings]

Will birger mount use same adjustment system? Is it like P+S

Will birger mount use same adjustment system? Is it like P+S

Any word that Birger will follow your design with their Canon Mount (maybe this is why they have been quiet?)

Will birger mount use same adjustment system?

Any chance you could give us more info on how it works? Is it like the P&S mount system or did you buy/license the P&S?

Would be nice since they already have all of these mounts available:

18431 PL-Mount P+S Technik Interchangeable Mount System
18384 Panavision Mount P+S Technik Interchangeable Mount System
18381 Nikon Moun P+S Technik Interchangeable Mount System
18382 Canon EF Mount P+S Technik Interchangeable Mount System
22646 Canon FD Mount P+S Technik Interchangeable Mount System
18383 Zeiss Contax Mount P+S Technik Interchangeable Mount System
20506 BNC-R Mount P+S Technik Interchangeable Mount System
18380 Leica R Mount P+S Technik Interchangeable Mount System
22600 B4 Mount P+S Technik Interchangeable Mount System
22605 C-Mount P+S Technik Interchangeable Mount System

http://www.pstechnik.de/en/optics-ims.php

 

[Andrew Benz]

Wait a second... I have to wait another a week or two for a camera that I have "officially" waited for 13 months so...
a. the PL mount can be greatly improved for stability, user adjustability, and swapping mounts in the field.
b. new and improved daughter board to the sensor that increases dynamic range and reduced noise for all frame rates at or below 25fps.
c. more time to further enable, perfect and stabilize the firmware.
d. all this at no additional cost to the customer AND cameras 1-100 will be retro fitted at the expense of RED.

...And all this while the flames of hell are licking at your collective soles (feet that is say) and every other "cinematography" forum or list is trying to find new ways to skewer RED and paint all of it's customers as jackleg funksticks. Now, not that I give two shits, but it begs the question -How can anyone have such a visceral and verbal hatred of RED? (don't give me the bullshit about "the aggressive marketing"--- It takes serious man to pick up a bat for the first time and point where things are headed in any industry... Why the mock indignation when he cracks it out of the park and MAKES it so for everyone who wants to buy or rent his system?

It will be very interesting how this gets turned around by the supposed professionals that should know better on the "superior" forums.

Andrew "at least I do not talk out of both sides of my mouth depending on the forum" Benz

 

[Mathieu Ghekiere]

Jim and RED staff...

doing this at no additional cost... wow.
IF there would be any sceptics still out there, they can't say anything about customer service!
I've emailed this thread to some other non-RED interested people (don't get me wrong, they are non-camera interested), just to show what a REAL company is that's COMPLETELY to the service of their customers, and delivering the best possible product...

Can't almost believe the genorousity of you guys... (I know I probably spelled that wrong...)

 

[Michael Hastings]

They are just jealous

They are just jealous

but it begs the question -How can anyone have such a visceral and verbal hatred of RED? Benz

They are just jealous that they don't have a reservation so can't get one for six months.

 

[I Bloom]

Wait a second... I have to wait another a week or two for a camera that I have "officially" waited for 13 months so...
a. the PL mount can be greatly improved for stability, user adjustability, and swapping mounts in the field.
b. new and improved daughter board to the sensor that increases dynamic range and reduced noise for all frame rates at or below 25fps.
c. more time to further enable, perfect and stabilize the firmware.
d. all this at no additional cost to the customer AND cameras 1-100 will be retro fitted at the expense of RED.

...And all this while the flames of hell are licking at your collective soles (feet that is say) and every other "cinematography" forum or list is trying to find new ways to skewer RED and paint all of it's customers as jackleg funksticks. Now, not that I give two shits, but it begs the question -How can anyone have such a visceral and verbal hatred of RED? (don't give me the bullshit about "the aggressive marketing"--- It takes serious man to pick up a bat for the first time and point where things are headed in any industry... Why the mock indignation when he cracks it out of the park and MAKES it so for everyone who wants to buy or rent his system?

It will be very interesting how this gets turned around by the supposed professionals that should know better on the "superior" forums.

Andrew "at least I do not talk out of both sides of my mouth depending on the forum" Benz

Just think about it in comparison to other companies. With RED a problem was identified less than one week ago. A solution has been implemented and set into motion.

All I can say is Bravo!

IBloom

 

[Harmonica]

Any word that Birger will follow your design with their Canon Mount (maybe this is why they have been quiet?)

Echo that for the Nikon Birger (mmmm, Nikon Birgers). Swapping mounts will still be a pain if the Birger is a weak link in the chain...

Fantastic news on the delay! I hope there's another major delay the week before my Red ships: a new configuration to enable 1000fps and a new, submersible body!

 

[Phil Becque]

Well I'm relieved to hear that all the RED folk are OK - phew - the pictures we're seeing can't be nearly as scary as looking outside the back of the RED factory!! Yikes!! We'll be sending you all 'protective forces' from the Becque household tonight when we say our evening prayers.

When you see so many people losing all they possess you can't help but wonder about the symbolic nature of a home on fire; one ancient source is the ‘Parable of the Burning House’, which appears in The Lotus Sutra, an instructional text based on the teachings of Buddha, who lived roughly 2,500 years ago. The setting for this parable is a rich man’s home which is engulfed by flames, while the wealthy father’s tiny sons play inside, unaware that the house is burning. Even when the father warns them, they are unable to understand what danger they’re in. The father must invent ‘expedient means’ to rescue them; he tells them that wonderful toys – goat, deer and ox carts – are beyond the gates. Each son, ‘emboldened in his heart’, rushes outside to safety. The Buddha goes on to say that

There is no safety in the threefold world;
it is like a burning house […]
constantly beset with griefs and pains
of birth, old age, sickness and death,
which are like the fires raging without cease.[2]

Living itself is the inferno: all mortals are trapped in the conflagration of themselves, and ignorant of how they burn. Our attachments to worldly things are the cause of much of our suffering.

On a personal note, I've direct experience of opening the door to my kitchen to find it filled with acrid smoke. We all got out of the house, phoned the fire department and sat in the car (it was XMAS night!) and wondered what would be left of house by the time the firemen had done their thing.

I remember thinking - we are all safe and unharmed that's all that's important - if we loose the house - so be it - we'll find somewhere else to live. In the end it was just a faulty dishwasher - so it was just a mild inconvenience. I'm as attached to my new Jag as the next man - but I did learn that sometimes "you just have to be prepared to let it go"

All the best, Phil

 

[I Bloom]

It would also be nice if there was a built in safety clip for the RED mount, in order to avoid problems with vibration loosening the mount.

http://www.cinematography.net/Pages DW/ArriPLMountSafety.htm

IBloom

 

[Michael Hastings]

Hey that's my job!

Hey that's my job!

.... I hope there's another major delay the week before my Red ships: ... a new, submersible body!

Hey that's my job!




PS

Any response to post #44:

Will birger mount use same adjustment system?

Any chance you could give us more info on how it works? Is it like the P+S mount system or did you buy/license the P+S?

 

[TimPipher]

Hope all red team will be fine away from fires.
What i like in photo is RED BUILDING is'nt ? it ?
if yes . i would like to say its Amazing DAZZLING building like REDCAMERA
it holds a creative people with very sense of art.:w00t:

Is this the RED building? If it is -- Wow. I always pictured the RED building as a little garage-type structure.

 

[Michael Hastings]

I think that is the Oakley building.

I think that is the Oakley building.

Is this the RED building? If it is -- Wow. I always pictured the RED building as a little garage-type structure.

I think Jim said in another post that that is the Oakley building.

 

[Tom Lowe]

Thanks for the update, Jim. Seems like the right decision for sure.

That fire pic you posted was shocking!

 

[Steve Gibby]

Is this the RED building? If it is -- Wow. I always pictured the RED building as a little garage-type structure.

Its the Oakley building, which is about 1/2 mile from the RED building. The RED building is smaller, with a customary business park design.

 

[Steve Gibby]

Great news RED!

I support the delay and upgrades 100%...much appreciated. Those are excellent upgrades to a camera that already kicks ass! The ass-kickin' factor will go even higher now...

Thanks guys...

 

[Graeme Nattress]

That's Oakley. RED is just down the road and round the corner. It's scary to see such places as you've been to visit them with all the ash, smoke and fire.

Graeme

 

[mdo]

We have developed a new stainless steel PL mount system that is user adjustable, stable and does not use shims. It is as close to a religious experience as a lens mount gets.

Another patent, perhaps?

Ref:

We have a few patents for the group to get by...

 

[Harmonica]

Hey that's my job!

Well, lenses will still need some sort of submersible enclosure, right?