For the Love of God please implement

[Mike P.]

It's digital though, not film. If not being able to erase takes/clips is imposed for any reason other than to prevent dropped frames due to fragmentation (or something similar) than it's skirting one of the benefits of being digital. Film couldn't do it, but digital can... If REDmags weren't as expensive as they are (512gb will last as long as most batteries with even the highest RC/Resolution, but is pretty expensive for that runtime) it'd be different, but they are and often times having to swap/dump decreases efficiency on location. If it's a big studio gig who cares -- things are slow anyway... if it's documentary or wild-life or ENG or basically any other non-set/in-the-moment kind of shooting, than it's a limitation.

If you're not the one responsible for choosing what take/clips to erase on location, then just don't do it; having the ability doesn't mean you are forced to use it (whereas having the choice made for you is the same as it being forced.)

All of that said, I was under the impression that deleting clips (rather than formatting) causes issues when you go to re-record over those newly deleted gaps, which is why RED doesn't allow you to do it... Obviously running out of card space (which is monitored anyway) is a lot better than recording an "extra" take that is messed up (or worse, reduces the integrity of the entire card.)

 

[Adam Johnson]

EXACTLY!!! Format on camera is WAY more dangerous in my opinion! I sooooooo wish this would be changed!!!!

I see no problem if its a feature that you have to ENABLE.. Give the user the choice to fuck up the show. I still don't know why FORMAT the card is on the same page as eject on the camera.. Some people run on auto pilot and that EJECT/Format is just too close for me.

 

[paulherrin]

i'm about tired of hearing 'film-like'... across the board. it's not film. it's 2013.

 

[Curt Pair]

I agree with the points mentioned above... I would like the format card page separated from eject media as well.

I've shot with many "digital" cameras for the last 8 years that all have a "last clip delete" feature to help free up room on the media... On Sony's "EX" cameras... you can keep going back and back and back if you want... you need to be careful... On their XDCam optical disc cameras, you can either do a "last clip delete" as a programmable button or go to the "thumbnail" menu of the media and delete a particular clip once it's highlighted.

While we're at it... who else wants "thumbnails" for the video playback? I think that would be awesome!

 

[Johnny Friday]

.....and NEVER fill a card to 0% remaining.....you'll find that this can become a problem....make it habit to leave say 10% remaining at LEAST....i try to leave 20% remaining at all times....You'll find your data transfers go faster and your shots don't become corrupt....when using the old 320gb hD on RED one....if you got to 10% of full, you would have write errors....

 

[Jeremy Wiles]

I've been requesting an option to delete footage in-camera for years. My conclusion is that RED wants to sell more SSD's and by implementing a delete option, you may not need to buy as many SSD cards.

 

[Greg F]

.....and NEVER fill a card to 0% remaining.....you'll find that this can become a problem....make it habit to leave say 10% remaining at LEAST....i try to leave 20% remaining at all times....You'll find your data transfers go faster and your shots don't become corrupt....when using the old 320gb hD on RED one....if you got to 10% of full, you would have write errors....

I was not aware of this issue could we get some more clarity from RED?

I've been requesting an option to delete footage in-camera for years. My conclusion is that RED wants to sell more SSD's and by implementing a delete option, you may not need to buy as many SSD cards.

Delete or no delete I will get what serves me. Sadly when I purchased the camera the 512 were not available.

I agree with Peter. I do narrative, VFX, moderate event, and nature work. I pretty much treat REDMAGs like film.

So you never format and just buy new redmags? LOL

i'm about tired of hearing 'film-like'... across the board. it's not film. it's 2013.

Agreed if I can strangle somebody with a redmag then its film :smash:

 

[Greg F]

Some shots I setup on a Set LOL!! Ok not really but really the reality is I would have far more and likely better footage if I was not afraid of space. I sit there and have to predict what is going to play out in my brain and decide if its worth it to pull that precious trigger. Given at the point the Ulua/Rainbow Runner/Galapagos part I was 12 mins decompression obligation still. That trigger becomes a serious commodity. I have stopped recording in 60fps.. I cant maintain a reasonable amount of footage.

I am pretty much pleading my case here that I am seriously limited... My buddy can sit there and just roll his camera as much as he wants and well if the shot is blown no big deal. But!!! if something happens guess what? He has it! I am not able to do this and I have to be predicting behavior and believe me its teaching me more than I could have ever known about these animals. There has to be a happy medium between the purists and the abominations like me that do one of a kind footage.

I do not mean to be insulting or degrading to anybody.. I just have a really hard battle to fight here of happy balance when to record and when not to record.. with very serious constraints. I started shooting at 3:1.. and or 60fps at 5k.. Now I shoot 8:1 and 29.97fps.. I am considering if its possible to back the data rate down more.. I am wrestling with the possibility of dropping to 4k even


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[C. Miersch]

Maybe a solution would be to branch out a special build wich has that delete capability. Even if this build would not be updated but a one time thing.

 

[ericyoung]

Maybe a solution would be to branch out a special build wich has that delete capability. Even if this build would not be updated but a one time thing.

I've suggested that in the past, and Red hasn't gone for it - problem is it doubles the amount of software builds they have to QA and support, for all their camera models.

I still think the best solution is a two or even three step, hard to accidentally enable, but possible with prominent visible warning, option for those who can really use it.

 

[Greg F]

I am not asking for special treatment build or something. Just add the functionality in some sane manner

 

[Greg F]

So would RED please comment? I know its a tall order but I think it would be useful

 

[Andrew PC Smith]

So would RED please comment? I know its a tall order but I think it would be useful

+1

I do a lot of live events that I have to sort through a lot of footage I would have otherwise cut in-camera. Not to mention all the time and storage space it would save users.

 

[Greg F]

And another shark yesterday.. This one is rarity! I have dove this site who knows how many times never saw a shark. I didn't really do anything with post on it. I have to prep for my dive tomorrow where the big sharks are and where I saw whales etc.

https://vimeo.com/62964831

 

[Greg F]

Saddens me that RED seems to not want to respond

Maybe I will capture something tomorrow that will make them excited. Or maybe Saturday or Next Tuesday or The Saturday after? Yes I do this that regular

 

[Max M.]

I think reduser is losing part of its appeal now red doesn't respond that much, these kind
of questions have nothing to do with competition, or information red can't tell us because of others.
Would be nice to know their view on this, if it's possible?, if it will be implemented in the future etc?
this is where reduser is meant for, feedback from users and then responses from red....

 

[Mark van Coller]

I think they may be preoccupied with NAB preparations. +1 from me on this feature.

 

[Greg F]

I think they may be preoccupied with NAB preparations. +1 from me on this feature.

Lucky I am preoccupied with shooting my sharks to care for going to NAB. Its not like its hard to catch a direct flight to vegas for me I am just not willing to stop my work here.

At anyrate.. I will continue to pester :smash: I did buy a camera after all that cost more than most cars.

The sharks will thank you for the feature too +1

I think reduser is losing part of its appeal now red doesn't respond that much, these kind
of questions have nothing to do with competition, or information red can't tell us because of others.
Would be nice to know their view on this, if it's possible?, if it will be implemented in the future etc?
this is where reduser is meant for, feedback from users and then responses from red....

True fact, I am not asking for much.. I am pretty quiet and just do my thing that I do.. Sadly It makes me hesitant to even tell people what I am doing with the camera as I have to resist the urge to flame out in RL over this one staggering issue. Everything else I can tolerate the Magenta, the redmote issues.. All the things that bother me are minor and I cant be that picky its a WONDERFUL piece of hardware. I do not regret purchasing it or want to move to another product lets face it RED has me as a customer I think they know that. I own a RED housing I am locked in for long term. I plan on upgrading to dragon, likely getting more things from them to expand my horizons on what I can do without any serious limitations. And on Land I would never really care about a delete button as I am able to do what I need to do to make it work. I might see it as useful if I was filming out in nature however so I cannot deny those people their needs either.

 

[Pawel Achtel]

I will say that I am against erase capability on the Epic

Sorry but the rewards are far outweighed by the negatives. Deleting files on the camera is not a good idea.

Sorry but I would rather see a function that stops recording with 20 percent left. And then you'd have your safety buffer

Peter, I respectfully disagree. What safety are you talking about? In the scenario described by Greg, which is very common in many genres, by not being able to erase the bad or last clip quickly, you actually losing one and only chance to record a good one.

+1 on the delete feature...and please make it work in stereo 3D configuration so that I could delete the last clip from both cameras simultaneously...preferably with one button :devil:

 

[Peter Stelzhammer]

so - there's no way to adept/modify your underwater housing to fit the module adapter plus rear ssd module I suppose?
Because that (with 512 Gig Mags) would solve your issues for a while…

I'm not a owner nor a shooter myself but I'm doing DIT and post-work and I'd call any deleting-operation on (!)original media level(!) highly dangerous… if you have a Proxy-solution (e.g. Meizler or other PRORES recorders) I wouldn't mind as much because in case of an error you'd at least have an full HD copy to fall back to but without any "backup" and on original media RAW data deleting stuff in camera sounds just very very dangerous to me (it's not something like a RAID1 after all).

just my humble opinion