For the Love of God please implement

[PatrickFaith]

I think the idea of designating a card as write protected is a good one.

+1 ... (at least on set, deletion should occur only after the entire ssd is copied twice - and having two different base deletion option settings would be error prone). Sorry underwater guys ;(

 

[Greg F]

Could always require a security code entered to unlock the deletion mode. If you did that and did that then well lets face it you deleted it

 

[PatrickFaith]

Could always require a security code entered to unlock the deletion mode. If you did that and did that then well lets face it you deleted it

True, real danger is someone accidentally reformatting the entire ssd (i.e. ac accidentally thinks the DIT has taken the current ssd), and nothing stops that.

 

[sander kamp]

I have never tried this but if your card is full and you really really really wanted to make another shot you could theoretically format the card, shoot just one minute or so, resurface, offload the shot on the card and then use Redundead to find the rest of the shots on the card. They should still be there as you have only recorded over the first shot or so.

It's kind of living on the edge I guess but not much more so then being underwater with humpbacks, hammerheads and what else....

 

[ericyoung]

+1 ... (at least on set, deletion should occur only after the entire ssd is copied twice - and having two different base deletion option settings would be error prone). Sorry underwater guys ;(

We aren't talking about on set scenarios here - more like remote, inaccessible, or dangerous locations or one off events where data offload is very difficult or impossible. Eg wildlife, underwater, documentaries, certain types of live events, especially when solo operating.

 

[Mark Andersen]

It's time for the 1TB card. Or at least one that last longer than the air in your tanks. Seriously, the solution is more SSD, and maybe a bit of self control on the run button.

 

[Mark Andersen]

I have never tried this but if your card is full and you really really really wanted to make another shot you could theoretically format the card, shoot just one minute or so, resurface, offload the shot on the card and then use Redundead to find the rest of the shots on the card. They should still be there as you have only recorded over the first shot or so.

It's kind of living on the edge I guess but not much more so then being underwater with humpbacks, hammerheads and what else....

Perhaps a kind of "soft" format, where instead of a true formate the camera allows you to re-record over the top of your data, of course you would have to ok this through some menus so it is very intentional and can't be accidentally done easily.

 

[Adam Johnson]

The ability to Delete individual clips sounds like the most logical solution. I think having it disabled by default would be good, but being able to enable this function along with an (are you sure you want to delete this clip?) isn't much different then being able to format your card....just more customization. I have been wondering why I have never been able to find this option in camera. I feel like this is the biggest no brainer update to throw in on future firmwares. I'd like to see this update on all of the camera models. And remember, this option would be disable from the get go. And if you want to get a little nutsy we can even make changing any settings to the camera protected by an easy "password". Up, down, up, down, a, b, a, b, select

seriously though the password option would be kind of cool too. For Epic and Scarlet you could make the password option keyboard based using standard characters or even more interesting would be touch screen gestures like some of the new computers/ touch pads on the market. This could make life more hectic on thieves too

but getting back to the original main topic, I fully agree there should be an option to this dilemma and I don't think it's should be that difficult to implement. This is the only camera outside of "film" that I have been unable to do this on. But I'm sure others out there have this feature lacking as well.

 

[Adam Johnson]

By the way Greg, that sounds like an absolutely life altering experience! I can only imagine how sureal that must have been (along with your other encounters). Im an avid snorkel/ free diver (nothing more enjoyable besides scuba im sure, I so need to learn!)

Anyways that sounds like my kind of heaven

 

[Greg F]

I have never tried this but if your card is full and you really really really wanted to make another shot you could theoretically format the card, shoot just one minute or so, resurface, offload the shot on the card and then use Redundead to find the rest of the shots on the card. They should still be there as you have only recorded over the first shot or so.

It's kind of living on the edge I guess but not much more so then being underwater with humpbacks, hammerheads and what else....

I suppose that might work? But yeah I am underwater with all forms of sharks, hammerheads, galapagos, dusky, grey reef, oceanic blacktips, whitetip reefs, occasional tiger shark and even rarer whale sharks, I have seen damage done by great whites on hammerheads (guaranteed)... And then there is whales, dolphins, giant trevally, bombs lets not forget that unexploded ordinance LOL.. I had my previous camera equipment test positive for RDX at honolulu airport.

We aren't talking about on set scenarios here - more like remote, inaccessible, or dangerous locations or one off events where data offload is very difficult or impossible. Eg wildlife, underwater, documentaries, certain types of live events, especially when solo operating.

Bingo! If somebody shot something like this and then understood limitations they would quickly change their ideas.

It's time for the 1TB card. Or at least one that last longer than the air in your tanks. Seriously, the solution is more SSD, and maybe a bit of self control on the run button.

That would have to be over 10 hours if I really wanted to push it

By the way Greg, that sounds like an absolutely life altering experience! I can only imagine how sureal that must have been (along with your other encounters). Im an avid snorkel/ free diver (nothing more enjoyable besides scuba im sure, I so need to learn!)

Anyways that sounds like my kind of heaven

Its amazing indeed. Had I known whales were going to show up I would have nuked the footage however I might have lost things like this... And really is that a acceptable option?

 

[Peter Lyons Collister ASC]

I will say that I am against erase capability on the Epic

Sorry but the rewards are far outweighed by the negatives. Deleting files on the camera is not a good idea.

Sorry but I would rather see a function that stops recording with 20 percent left. And then you'd have your safety buffer

 

[ericyoung]

I will say that I am against erase capability on the Epic

Sorry but the rewards are far outweighed by the negatives. Deleting files on the camera is not a good idea.

Sorry but I would rather see a function that stops recording with 20 percent left. And then you'd have your safety buffer

I don't think anyone is advocating it as enabled by default, or even easily enabled. Lots of high end professional cameras have "engineering menus" which are hidden from normal use because of those controls potential to make the camera unusable, but they are there for the appropriately qualified to adjust. I'd be very surprised if there weren't such menus in Sony's cinema cameras.

Any professional camera crew will be checking all the camera settings in prep anyway, if not resetting to factory settings as a base setup to start from.

There could even be a prominent persistent warning on the display that we were in an "engineering" menu mode.

But to have one sector of Red users be favoured over another on options is a little unfair surely? In this thread's specific scenarios, the positives of an erase option outweigh the considered negatives.

 

[Greg F]

I will say that I am against erase capability on the Epic

Sorry but the rewards are far outweighed by the negatives. Deleting files on the camera is not a good idea.

Sorry but I would rather see a function that stops recording with 20 percent left. And then you'd have your safety buffer

Just fyi, I willfully ran it to 0% given what I was seeing. However on my way doing deco stops or any other time I could have been deleting lesser quality footage to gain perhaps better footage.

So 20% buffer is kind of pointless given what I see down there and what I record. Deletion of lesser quality to record more is what I always did with my DLSR btw. And yes I have filled a 32gb card with stills and or video.

why is delete so evil when you can format with ease?
Argument is,
I can delete it all = good
I can delete ones-ie twos-ie = bad

I don't think anyone is advocating it as enabled by default, or even easily enabled. Lots of high end professional cameras have "engineering menus" which are hidden from normal use because of those controls potential to make the camera unusable, but they are there for the appropriately qualified to adjust. I'd be very surprised if there weren't such menus in Sony's cinema cameras.

Any professional camera crew will be checking all the camera settings in prep anyway, if not resetting to factory settings as a base setup to start from.

There could even be a prominent persistent warning on the display that we were in an "engineering" menu mode.

But to have one sector of Red users be favoured over another on options is a little unfair surely? In this thread's specific scenarios, the positives of an erase option outweigh the considered negatives.

Thanks for the support And you raise a valid point that the factory settings etc.

 

[Daniel Pearson]

My girlfriend got super pissed at me when I accidentally deleted a beautiful photo of her from a recent holiday - so for me, I'm happy that I can't delete individual clips from my Scarlet. But should others be punished for my careless nature? Both sides of this coin, cinema and documentary have valid arguments. Why not a submenu of the format page, so you can either format, or delete selected clips. Hmmm still not sure which side of the fence I sit on.

 

[Joseph Hutson]

I think what RED is trying to maintain is the idea that their camera is a film camera alternative. You can't delete film in a film camera and re-record with it.

They lean more on the side that Peter spoke about.

There was a time when I accidentally recorded the wrong person (one of the princesses in Dubai), and it was imperative that I deleted the clip in front of her escorts. That was the only time I didn't have a REDmag Reader with me. Oops! So I left the card
SSD and had to drive home and come back to finally delete the clip.

Even though it was a pain that once, I wonder just how many times I have been saved for not being able to accidentally delete other clips.

The last thing RED wants is a rumor to become widespread like "The RED Touchscreen is so bad, I heard that people were deleting clips on set because things were going funky between Record/Playback."

 

[Max M.]

Just a delete clip function would do. I REALLY need that. Just have been shooting alot of stuff for a festival where you don't know what is going to happen and roughly 40% of the footage you know directly after the shot is not what is needed, and could have been deleted directly after. Now its filling up cards quickly, but with a delete function i could shoot much more footage and deliver a card with much better footage.

A delete clip function is REALLY REALLY needed! (and a thumbnail overview of the media on a card would be nice to have, would make searching for a clip alot easier)

The argument of the danger of by accident deleting is not worth it to not have the option. We are professionals, and you can expect that people know what there are doin, just make a delete button with a double confirmation window, and if you then delete it by accident you can't blame anybody for it. The possibility to delete clips outweighs all the arguments against accidental deleting.

 

[Peter Proniewicz-Brooks]

Just a delete clip function would do. I REALLY need that. Just have been shooting alot of stuff for a festival where you don't know what is going to happen and roughly 40% of the footage you know directly after the shot is not what is needed, and could have been deleted directly after. Now its filling up cards quickly, but with a delete function i could shoot much more footage and deliver a card with much better footage.

A delete clip function is REALLY REALLY needed! (and a thumbnail overview of the media on a card would be nice to have, would make searching for a clip alot easier)

The argument of the danger of by accident deleting is not worth it to not have the option. We are professionals, and you can expect that people know what there are doin, just make a delete button with a double confirmation window, and if you then delete it by accident you can't blame anybody for it. The possibility to delete clips outweighs all the arguments against accidental deleting.

The arguments about how useful and dangerous it would be take a side seat to the technical issue. Apparently SSD performance can be negatively impacted by clip deletes, in most functions this is largely irrelevant the performance hit isnt that great and can be largely mitigated with software fixes, in high end camera recording however the slightest drop can cause a performance hit. The BMCC where a similar request has been made is massively sensitive to drive performance issues, and since it uses off the shelf devices its a lot easy to come across issues.

This doesnt mean it will never happen but it does show why its not really the simple job often imagined.

 

[ericyoung]

The arguments about how useful and dangerous it would be take a side seat to the technical issue. Apparently SSD performance can be negatively impacted by clip deletes, in most functions this is largely irrelevant the performance hit isnt that great and can be largely mitigated with software fixes, in high end camera recording however the slightest drop can cause a performance hit. The BMCC where a similar request has been made is massively sensitive to drive performance issues, and since it uses off the shelf devices its a lot easy to come across issues.

This doesnt mean it will never happen but it does show why its not really the simple job often imagined.

That argument doesn't hold water if only a "Delete Last Clip" is enabled.

Also, is there a credible source for that? Wear levelling must already map footage to non contiguous memory, so fragmentation can't be a factor?? Would like to find out more.

 

[Justin Marx]

I see no problem if its a feature that you have to ENABLE.. Give the user the choice to fuck up the show. I still don't know why FORMAT the card is on the same page as eject on the camera.. Some people run on auto pilot and that EJECT/Format is just too close for me.

 

[Phil Holland]

I will say that I am against erase capability on the Epic

Sorry but the rewards are far outweighed by the negatives. Deleting files on the camera is not a good idea.

Sorry but I would rather see a function that stops recording with 20 percent left. And then you'd have your safety buffer

I agree with Peter. I do narrative, VFX, moderate event, and nature work. I pretty much treat REDMAGs like film.