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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

First Pictures

Jarred Land said:
good work guys.. ive put you all in your own forum now for User tests. I know we have about 8 shoots going on in parallel today.. so its gonna get pretty busy.
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Is the RED team helping out on any of these shoots today or is everyone finally sleeping? Today and following days should bring a VERY BIG smile to all of RED's faces!
 
Paolo Tinari said:
2K H264 at 800/1000 looks like wow.
How much light was on? I'm noticing a little skewing when he raises his head, at the beginning; it's only me?
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The 2k file Looks good to me. I don't see motion skewing (if there was a problem I'd expect it at frame 148 where his head is turning the fastest). I do see (look at the background) the camera wobble at the very beginning and the very end- guessing someone was pressing a "start" or "stop" button at those points.
 
Jim Arthurs said:
Poor Graeme... he's spent two years educating us on why we don't want or need edge sharpening, and what happens to the first still out the door? Why is there even a "sharpening" setting in the app?
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It's so you can preview what the footage looks like with a very small amount of very careful sharpening. No, I'm not a fan of bad sharpening, but this is a small amount of very carefully controlled sharpening. I'd not use it if you want to export clean footage, but if you want to preview what the end result after careful image manipulation would look like, that control is there for you.

You also have a detail control on the demosaic on how much detail we try to extract from the image. This is not sharpeness at all, but detail extraction.

That's the best thing about RAW - it's all about choice.

Graeme
 
Anders Holck said:
Dont know about their plans.
But I saw a post from Greame stating that post gain was better looking than analog sensor gain in tests.
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I think we're looking at our options with regards to analogue gain.

Both digital and analogue gain have their advantages and disadvantages.....

Graeme
 
The Third Man said:
I see on the photo that Evin is DP and shooting.

Also LCD is Panasonic.
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We all were DPs last night... throwing lights and camera wherever we felt like it. The LCD is Evin's own. I'm geekily chuffed that the first ever non-NDA'd RED frame grab [the Blair hero shot] was shot by yours truly. Lame, yes... but I'm a nerd.

Paolo Tinari said:
tonaci, sorry for asking, which light was on on the 2k h264?
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If memory serves, it was a daylight globed 4x4 Kino... plus about 10 other random lights we had on in the room. We didn't get too exact last night.
 
Brook Willard said:
If memory serves, it was a daylight globed 4x4 Kino... plus about 10 other random lights we had on in the room. We didn't get too exact last night.
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I was hoping was something little like that.
Wake me up when november comes
 
What the first tests tell us are at least three things:

1. RED one exists, works, makes pictures, lot of resolution and range
2. 4K want's, that we work as carefully as with 35mm (focus, ASO)
3. You will see every detail, so every detail has to be perfect

There will be a lot of disapointment for people, who are not used to shoot big cinema. On the other hand: the RED advantage is, that its for free to shoot footage and to learn from the results.

Hmmm, I'm not really shure, if I want to see all footage, that will be shot in the near future, it will be hard for me, to see bad stuff and it will be hard for the RED team eather. The range between cracks like Soderbergh and beginners is huge. And how will we explain, that all this pictures come out of the same camera? Do we need a quality control?
 
artbeatsart said:
What the first tests tell us are at least three things:

1. RED one exists, works, makes pictures, lot of resolution and range
2. 4K want's, that we work as carefully as with 35mm (focus, ASO)
3. You will see every detail, so every detail has to be perfect

There will be a lot of disapointment for people, who are not used to shoot big cinema. On the other hand: the RED advantage is, that its for free to shoot footage and to learn from the results.

Hmmm, I'm not really shure, if I want to see all footage, that will be shot in the near future, it will be hard for me, to see bad stuff and it will be hard for the RED team eather. The range between cracks like Soderbergh and beginners is huge. And how will we explain, that all this pictures come out of the same camera? Do we need a quality control?
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Now, for me, the camera is a certified badass. If bad footage comes out it will be only my fault
 
Graeme Nattress said:
I think we're looking at our options with regards to analogue gain.

Both digital and analogue gain have their advantages and disadvantages.....

Graeme
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This is excellent news indeed. I was beginning to worry that the pre quantizer gain was fixed and not accessible. I certainly want to perform tests to see where the noise floor is with respect to different analog gain settings. In order to optimize the low light performance we will need the ability to trade off both analog gain and digital coefficients. I am curious as to how low in the UI the analog features will be placed and if, access to individual chroma channels or only overall gain will be provided.
 
Jarred Land said:
hopefully soon.... and in the snow. Some of Mack Dawg's shooters have reservations.
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Jared,
you would happen to knwo if any of the guys from Matchstick productions Poorboyz Productions have any reservations do you?

i'd love to see seth Morrison back flip another monster cliff!!
 
Tonaci's post of the "eyes" frame is really impressively clean, you can push the image in crazy ways and it still holds up...

RED-eyes-crops.jpg
 
Sorry to ask twice but... why is eveything 2:1 aspect ratio? Is this a post crop in RedAlert or is this now a shooting option?
 
Tonaci,

Please start a new thread for each test/footatge set so we don't have to keep jumping to the end of this one!

You now have me following along on a blackberry!

Thanks for your continued sharing!!!
 
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