FCP-X / REDcine-X Scene Information Metadata - Help needed

[Patrick Grossien]

Hi everybody,

I'm trying to get some metadata workflow down between REDcine and FCPX. Mainly what I'm looking for is Project, Scene, Shot etc. information which I would like to have in REDcine as well as FCPX. Is there a way to import those information metadata from REDcine straight to FCPX? As for now the information fields stay empty in FCPx after import. I'm trying not to have to enter it twice but rather have to enter it once in REDcine and carry it along with the RMDs.

Thanks guys!

 

[Patrick Grossien]

Nobody? Seems this is not possible.

 

[Willy Faes]

Hi everybody,

I'm trying to get some metadata workflow down between REDcine and FCPX. Mainly what I'm looking for is Project, Scene, Shot etc. information which I would like to have in REDcine as well as FCPX. Is there a way to import those information metadata from REDcine straight to FCPX? As for now the information fields stay empty in FCPx after import. I'm trying not to have to enter it twice but rather have to enter it once in REDcine and carry it along with the RMDs.

Thanks guys!

I tried the same thing without result. I want to enter the scene and take information in camera. I was hoping I could match it in FCPX. Is there a way to accomplish this?

Thanks,

Willy Faes

 

[Scott Crawley]

Sorry, My experience has been the same as yours. If it makes you feel any better, FCPX doesn't seem to take that metadata from Resolve either. :-(

Like you, I am hoping some of our DIT brethren might jump in.

 

[David Battistella]

This is where we need a lift to ring to sam mestman.

Something tells me me that it might have something to do with QuickTime as the metadata container of sorts. Or it might require some custom fields in FCPX.

theoretically all of the data should be available, but I think some fields are left out from being read and are rcx only.

Rob lohman man from red could kick in on this or someone from the rcx team.

Michael lubchansky is a good resource too.

Battistella

 

[Scott Crawley]

This is where we need a lift to ring to sam mestman.

Something tells me me that it might have something to do with QuickTime as the metadata container of sorts. Or it might require some custom fields in FCPX.

theoretically all of the data should be available, but I think some fields are left out from being read and are rcx only.

Rob lohman man from red could kick in on this or someone from the rcx team.

Michael lubchansky is a good resource too.

Battistella

I am curious if scene and take info from original camera metadata is coming into the proper fields in FCPX. Are there any Foolcontrol and FCPX users who might answer? Mikael?

 

[Willy Faes]

I am curious if scene and take info from original camera metadata is coming into the proper fields in FCPX. Are there any Foolcontrol and FCPX users who might answer? Mikael?

Foolcontrol is perfect to fill in the metadata. It's a shame we have to retype it in FCPX.

 

[David Battistella]

I know that in Liveplay, the circle takes, scene, take, etc are kinda like "secondary" metadata, but they do get read in from their XML. So maybe there needs to be a step in-between.

Battistella

 

[Scott Crawley]

I know that in Liveplay, the circle takes, scene, take, etc are kinda like "secondary" metadata, but they do get read in from their XML. So maybe there needs to be a step in-between.

Battistella

And Movie Slate for iPad is extremely useful, but I have had no joy trying to get their FCPXML to work correctly. FCPXML has been a moving target since day one. I'm thinking the problems may lie in there some place.

 

[Willy Faes]

Just got a message from Mikael. FCPX doesn't import the metadata (scene, shot, etc.) entered on RED or Foolcontrol. I don't know if this is the problem of the RED-plugin or FCPX. Hope somebody fix this because it can be a huge timesaver.

Willy Faes

 

[Mikael Lubtchansky]

Yes I looked quickly but wasn't able to get any R3D or RMD metadata directly in FCPX.

Might need to write an app to read metadata and create a FCPX XML...

Anyone who is fluent with FCPX can confirm there is no hidden way to doing this...

 

[Serge Tsipis]

Just got a message from Mikael. FCPX doesn't import the metadata (scene, shot, etc.) entered on RED or Foolcontrol. I don't know if this is the problem of the RED-plugin or FCPX. Hope somebody fix this because it can be a huge timesaver.

Willy Faes

I used to struggle quite a bit around this matter. At that stage some colleagues told me they have the same problem with their cameras metadata. I can't remember what they were using, but that definitely was not RED. Could be Canon, Arri or something else. So I assumed that to be FCPX problem. There are workarounds but no direct solution so far, unfortunately...

 

[Ziggy Uszkurat]

Hi there,

It's fairly easy to create a small program to write SOME of the metadata from the RMD file to an xml file to import to FCP-X. But, FCP-X only recognises a few of the keys you might need. Currently, they are limited to the following fields: Camera Angle, Location, Reel, Scene & Take. So, for instance,you can't fill in Notes or Program Name at present. Would mapping this limited information to an FCPX compatible XML file be sufficient?

Ziggx

 

[Willy Faes]

Hi there,

It's fairly easy to create a small program to write SOME of the metadata from the RMD file to an xml file to import to FCP-X. But, FCP-X only recognises a few of the keys you might need. Currently, they are limited to the following fields: Camera Angle, Location, Reel, Scene & Take. So, for instance,you can't fill in Notes or Program Name at present. Would mapping this limited information to an FCPX compatible XML file be sufficient?

Ziggx

Ziggy

I think Scene & take is already a time saver because we use this metadata to rename the clip names. So what you are saying is: write a little program that loops through the RMD's and write a fcpx xml? I think I (or at least our programmer ;-) can do that. But shouldn't it be in the xml from redcine-x in the first place?

Willy Faes

 

[Ziggy Uszkurat]

Willy,

Wouldn't that be nice? XMLs that play nicely with other programs... Well that was the theory anyway.
Redcine stuffs all the metadata in the RMD file - FCP-X knows how to extract some metadata directly from the R3D and some from the RMD (but not all). The xml from Redline contains only the very basic info so FCPX can locate the file and work out clip lengths etc. So the failing is both on RED (they could use FCP-X metadata names) and on Apple who have not implemented the full range of metadata for import. FCPX xmls are mostly trivial to write. There's a few other gotchas, but nothing too difficult to overcome.

Ziggx

 

[Willy Faes]

Willy,

Wouldn't that be nice? XMLs that play nicely with other programs... Well that was the theory anyway.
Redcine stuffs all the metadata in the RMD file - FCP-X knows how to extract some metadata directly from the R3D and some from the RMD (but not all). The xml from Redline contains only the very basic info so FCPX can locate the file and work out clip lengths etc. So the failing is both on RED (they could use FCP-X metadata names) and on Apple who have not implemented the full range of metadata for import. FCPX xmls are mostly trivial to write. There's a few other gotchas, but nothing too difficult to overcome.

Ziggx

Come on RED, if I can do it you can do it!
Thanks Ziggy for the advice. I hope to find some time to write this.

Willy Faes

 

[Ziggy Uszkurat]

I have written a small app that reads circled takes, location, scene & take information from RMD files and writes an FCPX xml file for import.
It reads recursively through RDC files and only writes information for files that have an .RMD file. You can choose to include all shots or just those with circled takes.

If anyone wants to try the fully functional time limited beta, please contact me.

Best Wishes
Ziggx

 

[Joe Riggs]

I'm actually curious how to get Scene info metadata that you enter manually into Red Cine X into FCp7, any ideas?

I did a test, brought R3D into red cine, entered in take info into medtatdat, exported a trasnscode but when I bring trams-code into FCP7 the scen column is empty.

 

[Ziggy Uszkurat]

I think you need to write a proper FCP XML file that extracts the metadata from the RED files and formats it correctly for FCP. It's a fairly trivial application.

Ziggx