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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Epic-W

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To me the Epic has always been the game changer..we are now looking at 8K weapon and now panavision has introduced a whole new camera and colors. With these things in place RED will need to come Hard with this new technology and introduce the next gen of digital film making it just makes sense to me. All weapon owners got a case upgrade and not a new sensor, with a new body and new way to capturing data I think things will continue to amaze us. 1.8 sd to mini sd epic body to weapon body. In creating something for a major film company you would need to raise the bar, after achieving something that has never been done and with creating partnerships innovation will spike and ideas to make your own custom brand stand out. The only competition is out doing yourself.
 
Hmm it's just a upgrade path for the MX sensor owners to DSMC2. Nothing more than that.
 
Well that sucks, No new camera no dice. It's a waste of my money to go weapon and not go for the new sensor.
 
Aaron michaels said:
Well that sucks, No new camera no dice. It's a waste of my money to go weapon and not go for the new sensor.
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I thought so myself before upgrading but... no, it's not a waste, it's the camera the Dragon sensor was made for. The Epic Dragon was a bit like putting a Ferrari engine in a family van, Weapon makes the Dragon sensor work as it should, while also opening up to next gen sensor upgrades. But a camera is also more than just it's sensor and the Weapon is more than just the same sensor.
 
brett ogden said:
Not to be rude, but Jarred didn't say that. He only conformed Epic-w will be Helium. I expect it to come in many sizes just like Dragon.
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Correct, but he also said the first Helium will be S35, so I thought Epic-W will start with S35...
 
We still know nothing.
Is helium easier to create than dragon? Worse in any field? Cheaper?
Or is it a complete diffrent sensor with other strengths and weaknesses?
 
Helium is not Epic-W and even if it were and you think Epic MX owners will get an upgrade option, imagine the cost of that since us with Weapons will have Helium as an upgrade option. So for Weapons owners it will be Weapon - PAYMENT - Weapon Helium. For Epic MX owners it will be equivalent of Epic MX - PAYMENT - Epic Dragon - PAYMENT - Weapon camera body upgrade and accessories - PAYMENT - Weapon Helium.

Anything else would be just weird since it would make it more economical for us with Weapons to sell our Weapon, buy an Epic MX and get a Weapon Helium. I think there's a lot of unreasonable wishes about what Epic-W will be. Yes it might be called that, but as an upgrade choice for Epic MX owners, it just ain't gonna work out. There has been upgrade options since Dragon was announced and it can't be going on forever. It's not like there was an upgrade window opened for a short time, there has been plenty of time.
 
Maybe the MX owners will be granted a discount like the Scarlet owners had for Scarlet-W
 
Andrei Goaga said:
Maybe the MX owners will be granted a discount like the Scarlet owners had for Scarlet-W
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I doubt it, since Weapon 6K will have an upgrade option to Weapon Helium, how could Epic MX owners have a discount that would in any way be close to that considering what we with Weapons paid for before Helium? It just doesn't make sense and would make it better to sell the Weapon 6K, buy a used Epic MX and upgrade to Epic-W to get Helium. If Epic-W would be anything it would be a slightly more expensive Scarlet-W with a Dragon sensor. But it will not be a 6K camera with the same features as an Weapon MG has, because that would make it a Weapon 6K so there's no gap to fill between a Weapon 6K MG and the Scarlet-W. Especially with Helium coming nothing of this makes sense and I doubt there will ever be a Epic-W that would make sense in the lineup that exists right now.

The upgrades for Scarlets was for Scarlet Dragons, you want the Weapon body and 8K Helium sensor as a discounted upgrade from Epic MX, while we with Weapon 6K MGs will also be able to upgrade to the same Helium camera? Then according to math, we with Weapon MGs would probably get the Helium sensor for free while Epic MX owners get to upgrade to it for around $16000 to account for a new body and sensor with trade-in. It just don't make any rational sense. Upgrade from MX has passed and it was open for around two years.
 
I think it really is to soon to judge. We don't know where the Helium 8K is in terms of price/performance against the 8K VV, or the 6K Dragon. We just know it will come and it will be S35 for the moment. We also know that Jarred made clear several times there will be an upgrade program for MX user that has something to do with the Epic-W. As there are no specs/prices released, all is pure speculation :)
 
Christoffer Glans said:
I doubt it, since Weapon 6K will have an upgrade option to Weapon Helium, how could Epic MX owners have a discount that would in any way be close to that considering what we with Weapons paid for before Helium? It just doesn't make sense and would make it better to sell the Weapon 6K, buy a used Epic MX and upgrade to Epic-W to get Helium. If Epic-W would be anything it would be a slightly more expensive Scarlet-W with a Dragon sensor. But it will not be a 6K camera with the same features as an Weapon MG has, because that would make it a Weapon 6K so there's no gap to fill between a Weapon 6K MG and the Scarlet-W. Especially with Helium coming nothing of this makes sense and I doubt there will ever be a Epic-W that would make sense in the lineup that exists right now.

The upgrades for Scarlets was for Scarlet Dragons, you want the Weapon body and 8K Helium sensor as a discounted upgrade from Epic MX, while we with Weapon 6K MGs will also be able to upgrade to the same Helium camera? Then according to math, we with Weapon MGs would probably get the Helium sensor for free while Epic MX owners get to upgrade to it for around $16000 to account for a new body and sensor with trade-in. It just don't make any rational sense. Upgrade from MX has passed and it was open for around two years.
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Chris, you need to tell me something. Everywhere regarding a possible upgrade path for MX owners you act all tight up. Where are you afraid of? That your investment to a Wmg was a bad call?
I'm just curious.
 
Christoffer Glans said:
I thought so myself before upgrading but... no, it's not a waste, it's the camera the Dragon sensor was made for. The Epic Dragon was a bit like putting a Ferrari engine in a family van, Weapon makes the Dragon sensor work as it should, while also opening up to next gen sensor upgrades. But a camera is also more than just it's sensor and the Weapon is more than just the same sensor.
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I completely disagree. And I see a lot of comments like this. I've been lucky enough to use both and certainly agree there are advantages to the Weapon series. And sure in ways you get more out of it. In the end to me, its still the end user and the process involved thats going to achieve the best results. The Weapon just makes a touch bit easier on the end user. The price jump, in my eyes isn't really justified unless one of the advantages really makes sense business wise. Certainly not a waste, but to me the MG Weapon still feels a bit lost and awkward amongst the crowd of RED cameras.
 
The guys at Arri are probably out there just rubbing their hands and laughing. Before, it was redusers against Arri & the world. Now it will just be redusers arguing endlessly to know who has the biggest Red one ^^
Well .... thinking about it, I think Arri never cared.
 
Ugo Del said:
The guys at Arri are probably out there just rubbing their hands and laughing. Before, it was redusers against Arri & the world. Now it will just be redusers arguing endlessly to know who has the biggest Red one ^^
Well .... thinking about it, I think Arri never cared.
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? Me not verstehe.
 
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