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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

EPIC QUAD BATTERY MODULE

I found it very easy to use and yes sliding it back on the dove tail did take an extra two seconds but I don't see a problem with it.
 
David Battistella said:
Is that the final design/thickness of the module adaptor?
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I doubt it's the final design; it doesn't have the indented ridges at the top and bottom to match the brain and module design. The photo on page 4 of this thread looks closer to what I would imagine is more complete design-wise. It is probably close to the correct thickness, though, as it looks very similar to every other module adaptor render/photo we've seen over the last several years.
 
Adam S said:
I don't see why Red wouldn't want to modify this, especially if it would improve the ease of use of their camera design.
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you have never used this module or adapter. your assumptions are incorrect. ease of use or strong connections. in this system, they wisely chose the latter.
and the compromise is acceptable.. the alternative would not be... on any shoot
 
Adam... we are not modifying the locking mechanism. We want it on the bottom. Swapping modules is not something you want to do running down the street with your camera, and you don't want the lever to be somewhere that would suggest that you should do so.. or accidentally do so. It needs to be in the most advantageous position to provide the best structurally support to the system as well as well as maintaining the flexibility to change when needed in the right conditions. Remember.. these modules do not only supply power, but with the SSD modules and others you are ALSO recording your footage to them. We are not going to fuck around with unnecessary "convenience" at the expense of stability.. sorry.
 
Well that's a bummer, I just think there is a way to have the best of both worlds. Because I certainly agree with you that stability is the highest priority with this kind of system and I'm not suggesting that you sacrifice any. But I'm sure there is a way to maintain that while not making us fiddle fart around while we have to reconfigure the camera for different shooting situations. I'm not saying the module configurations will change as often as lenses, filters, batteries, or mags but we will change them on a regular basis. That is one of the big selling features of this camera system you can do so many things with it. "We're still counting the possible combinations. We gave up after a million." Red.com Now you're telling me that I have to pick one during my prep and stick with it?

Regardless if you want us to or not we will add/remove modules on the fly, in the dark, in all sorts of unfavorable conditions, that is the reality of working on a film set.
 
Adam S said:
Regardless if you want us to or not we will add/remove modules on the fly, in the dark, in all sorts of unfavorable conditions, that is the reality of working on a film set.
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A camera as configurable as Epic has not existed before that I know of.
Just because you can do something fast and with your eyes closed, doesn't mean you should.
Some things should be done with a reasonable amount of attention.
Just like holding a lens with two hands instead of one.
 
Deanan said:
Just like holding a lens with two hands instead of one.
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Lens swapping is a good exemple.

Prohibitting the AC tho do his work under difficult conditions is not the way to go IMHO. But I'm not sure it is really an issue for this specific module.

Pat
 
Adam you should probably actually try it before you jump to any conclusions... its not as difficult as you think it is.
 
Patrick Tresch said:
Lens swapping is a good exemple.

Prohibitting the AC tho do his work under difficult conditions is not the way to go IMHO. But I'm not sure it is really an issue for this specific module.

Pat
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This is not about prohibiting AC's. We're talking about a high bandwidth connection
between the modules (including the quad battery) and modules should
be swapped under reasonable conditions with proper attention.

The module system is for building up camera setups and is not intended
for rapid fire changes under rough conditions.
 
Last time I broke a camera into two or three pieces, I did it on a workbench under controlled conditions. Well, once I did it with a telephone pole, but that's another story. Now I can do it with a 1/4 turn of an allen!?

People are losing touch with what actually happens when you add or remove a module. It's not just adding a hunk of metal or an basic... in many ways, it's adding half a camera [IO module comes to mind]. The fact that you can do this quickly and easily simply boggles my mind. I've been lucky enough to see what's possible between the camera and modules.

You're looking at a battery module here, so I can see the confusion. The module interface is a really awesome thing... and the flexibility is pretty bananas. Don't like it... no problem! Just use a different power solution.

Remove the battery plate from the Alexa while in the dark with a flashlight in your mouth and no tools... let me know how it goes! :)
 
I figure by time I do use it, and if it is overly difficult, it will be too late to do anything about it anyway. So I'm voicing my concerns now before the modules actually ship. I saw how it works, I understand how it works, I don't need to touch it to know that it will be difficult to make it work under many situations.

So I'm supposed to tell the Steadicam op that I can't remove some modules because the camera that has removable modules shouldn't be reconfigured in the field? I might be missing something here. Will you publish a list of general rules we should follow when using the modules? How fragile are these things? I don't want to break anything.
 
Deanan said:
... modules should be swapped under reasonable conditions with proper attention.
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Well this is a good point.

We probably have to know what is possible or damageable with the modular diveces. Wich is one among the best idea RED had BTW (with R3D and other goodies of course).

Practice will tell us what and how to do it. Guidelines?

Patrick
 
ok, so what have we leaned?
1) Camera is modular and will, if anything, get more modular
2) the connection is more than just a physical bolting on- lots of data connections that have to keep their integrity, something to keep in mind when pulling/adding modules. Maybe we should treat it like a lens change and not a simple removal of some basic hardware. Duly noted.
3) RED really doesn't ever want to hear anything about boot time ever again. Epic is plenty fast, but with this, boot times are a non issue. Great.
4) we can only offer so many suggestions based on looking at pictures. I know I am reserving some of my judgement (mostly positive) until I get my hands on one because that is really only way I feel like I got a good handle on things. Suggestions are just that, and are by the nature of not having our own hands on it, slightly ill informed. Such is life.
5) lets dial back the jumping on everybody just a little bit. please. Everyone who has a reasonable opinion express it, and if someone sounds/reads a little hot, give them the benefit of the doubt ( I'm imagining Adam having a day off just after a bad night shoot and slightly grumpy, we have all been there) No ad hominem attack, we are talking about a piece of gear not a religion. (well, ok it is RED there is going to be some of that, but you know what I mean.
6) don't like it? don't use it.

thanks.
 
Awesome video. I don't get why people are complaining about the " dificulty " in swapping modules. It's as easy as changing the PL mount to Canon mount, 4 screws, that get's your module adapter on and off, then adding modules is simpler, connecting the top hing, and quarter turn on the bottum. I can't see changing the Lens mount, and adding all the modules and loading batteries taking more than 5 minutes. And can easily be done at night time with a flash light.


Tim Whitcomb said:
Hey guys... Jarred has agreed to imbed the video as I just cant figure it out... but in the meantime here is the first in the series... made in a couple hours
shot on EPIC
lit by 1 x 1200 W and 1 x 600 w LED Coolights
Transcoded by Red Rocket with slight S curve applied in RCX
FCP ingested edited and subtitled in FCP

I will also take some high res DSMC stills for you who want to zoom in an analyze its construction.

We used it on a music video yesterday all day and walking up and swapping a couple tiny volts in between takes had the DP all giddy with how fast an unobtrusive it was.


EDIT: and yes, that is a 300 mm in the Ti PL Mount with no support... shhhh ;)
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Add on this module was not like changing a 5d Batt in the dark. Its adding on a new part of the camera and was very easy with a huge effect. Just wait till you are trying it and you will see.
 
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