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For someone who plans on shooting a wedding for example (and yes, there will be these people) 15 seconds is a LOT of time to wait for your camera.
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How many times does one have to change their battery in a day? It has to be done currently.

Add a battery module and you've got hot-swapping capability of your batteries. Allowing you to theoretically have your camera on all day long and actually never have to turn it off for the purpose of swapping out a battery. if i'm not mistaken.

Battery module and sleep mode with longer start up time seem like good tradeoffs to me.
 
Aaron Hucker said:
That is, if you're planning on having an entire support team to help move the damn thing around.

For someone who plans on shooting a wedding for example (and yes, there will be these people) 15 seconds is a LOT of time to wait for your camera.
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Aaron,

I am using the R1 with a support team of zero. Believe me, you won't need a support team for the Epic either.

Epic with a 190wh battery should last (uninformed guesstimate) 2-3 hours. After that time you would need a little rest anyway - and on a wedding there should be plenty of opportunities to miss a 15 second window. Take 1 battery for the prepping of the wedding, one battery for the actual ceremony (have the first battery on charge), and then the 3rd and 1st battery for the wedding party.
 
I've waited this long for the scarlet, 10 seconds won't bother me :) J/K

On a serious note, is there a standby mode that keeps it ready but not fully functioning (less battery draw), or is this out of standby mode?
 
Jason,
I'm not disagreeing with you, however, more batteries = more weight.
And as of right now I can't find any proof that the production cameras will have a significant improvement on battery life, and generally (not always) smaller batteries = less power then a larger similar designed battery.

All I'm saying is right now, on a hot summer day outdoors, we get like 60-90 min tops on a R1 brick. Hows an epic going to hold up with a single 12v in a hand grip outside in heat? Thats where the long boot times could become interesting.

Am I missing something, will a sleep mode work on a single battery setup to allow hot swaping, say in a hand grip?
 
Probably gonna get banned for this... but here goes.

Jesus Effing Christ people!!!! It's 10 FRAKKING Seconds. 10....Seconds. If you miss a crucial shot in that 10 second window it's your own goddamn fault for not planning properly.

I don't know how Jim and Jared put up with all you effing cry babies. :violent5:

:emote_head_explode: :badputer: :banghead:
 
Martin, I appreciate your response, I too often shoot solo with our R1, but you can't deny, it is a dense beast. It's not light.

Shooting handheld at a wedding or any event becomes painful, and hot days = shorter battery life.

Also, we don't know specific battery life yet do we?
 
JS Fendelander said:
I want to use the Scarlet for event photography, so the 10 second start up is a concern.
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With all that Red is bringing to the game I can't believe you or anyone for that matter would complain about a 10-15 sec. startup.
 
Brad,

It's an open forum for feedback. They wouldn't allow responses if they couldn't handle it.
If you are referring to me, I am not crying about it, if you asked me if I would take it at twice the boot time of an R1 I would in a heart beat, its not ideal, but I'd make it work.

However, you can't blame me for being interested in trying to get the best possible product for all the 'proposed' applications.
 
I think everyone missed the REAL point of this thread... They have working prototypes, and the only thing that isn't perfect is that it takes 8 measly seconds longer to boot up.
 
Those 10-15 seconds for booting can easily be filled with some other task anyway.. so it wouldnt be much of a concern for me.

If you're doing something where you really need that time between turning the camera on and shooting , you have to think
a) why dont you just turn the camera on earlier
b) maybe you should look at something else for the project
c) you have unrealistic expectations about technology....
 
Aaron Hucker said:
I can't find any proof that the production cameras will have a significant improvement on battery life
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Jim:

Jannard said:
The ASIC does lots of stuff... heavy processing with less power
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Not unlike the change from tube-based to resistor radios to integrated circuits. Each time they got better, smaller, lighter and less power hungry.

Aaron Hucker said:
smaller batteries = less power then a larger similar designed battery.
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That is the beauty of the flexibility that Epic/Scarlet has. Get a battery module and use large V-lock batteries. Or have a battery belt connected to your camera.

You might also want to look into a back-saving EasyRig for your R1. Personally, if I were to shoot a wedding on a R1, I would use sticks, and just occasionally go handheld.

Would also like to hear more about the proposed sleep mode.
 
Aaron Hucker said:
Brad,

It's an open forum for feedback. They wouldn't allow responses if they couldn't handle it.
If you are referring to me, I am not crying about it, if you asked me if I would take it at twice the boot time of an R1 I would in a heart beat, its not ideal, but I'd make it work.

However, you can't blame me for being interested in trying to get the best possible product for all the 'proposed' applications.
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It's an open forum for feedback, not for bitching and moaning. This thread is worse than what happened when it was announce there was going to be a slight increase in the price of the Scarlet. People acted like red lied to them and how dare Red not give the damn thing away for free.


ps.. I'm not personally attacking you Aaron. You were quite reasonable in your concern.
 
Battery swap

Battery swap

re hot swap.. we offer REDVOLT and REDVOLT XL batteries. Let's discuss XL.

You can insert two REDVOLT XL batteries into the rear battery module.

Once the first is depleted, the camera automatically switches over to the second battery.

So now you remove the first battery and insert a third. Same for the second battery and a fourth etc..

So there really is no fundamental reason to power down.....
 
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Andrew Rieger said:
I can't stand all the complaints about the Red boot up time. Film guys are always bragging about no boot up time. Well they forget all the time they spend loading reels.
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Difference being on a film camera you only reload reels between takes anyway and the camera can sit almost indefinitely ready to shoot. So it's not entirely an apples to apples. Then again large batteries are the order of the day when it comes to needing constant readiness.

But I've been on a lot of trips where even the canon 5 second startup time would cause a clenched jaw. You can't leave your camera on for an entire 6 hour drive.

In contrast my film camera is ready instantly and always has film ready to go. And it can be reloaded when you're certainly nothing interesting is around.

Not saying 10s is a problem. But there is a difference between a loaded and ready camera and one which is off with a 10s startup time.
 
I shot a wedding recently and when I missed or didn't get a moment or that shot it was not due to start up but me. I know this is just my perspective but getting the shot had little to do with 20 sec or whatever, and a whole lot to do with being in the right place at the right time and knowing what to look for.

PS. it was my first wedding and despite my lack of experience I ended up getting what was needed.
 
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