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[Tehben Dean]

this is just a trial thread just me coping post here that have been responses and statment via Redteam in recon - this particular thead EPIC-M..

Christian I think your trial thread rocks seeing as how I usually skim threads like this looking for the indicative red (color) user names so I can read all of the RED teams tidbits

 

[Gustavo Penna]

Machined its nothing out of the ordinary.

Machined its nothing out of the ordinary.

thanks jim, for the clarification!
if it's not really that much a hassle in keeping the machined manufacturing line, you really should consider keeping it because as for rental houses, I can then understand why the would choose to go for it, because rentals always have to go through a lot
since I have students renting our university stuff, I know what I'm talking about. hehe!

NEVER EVER a single Panavision, Arriflex, Aaton, Phantom Or any Serious production camera or even prototype has been CNC machined from a single block. that was something left for PL mounts or any other mount types, and most of the time only used for building under water housings.

If you look carefully, touch and feel a master prime or any (zeiss lens besides the Vary-primes which are battle ready) You'll notice its not machined is actually made like 98% of Arri products on a process called micro forging. you can always google: "micro forging aluminum" and then click on images so you see the world revolves around it, from aerospace industry to high performance bicycle components. To Arri mattbox trays, they all come from micro forging. its just not economical to do less than 2000 pieces so thats a huge factor when de terming if certain parts are made from CNC machining or from Micro forging.

I happen to have my own CNC machine (5 axis) to make my own parts and pieces for my motorcycles and cameras, but only because that saves me the time that takes to make the very complex and expensive molds required for micro forging.

 

[Alexander Ibrahim]

Christian I think your trial thread rocks seeing as how I usually skim threads like this looking for the indicative red (color) user names so I can read all of the RED teams tidbits

Do you know that you can click on a RED "RED TEAM" logo and it will push you to the next RED Team post in the thread.

If you see the B&W RED TEAM logo, then its the last post by a RED Team member in the thread.

Try it out.

 

[Colin Hubick]

We'll continue to make EPIC-Ms until EPIC-X production begins... maybe even after. The love for the machined body with rental companies and others really surprised us.

Jim

What are the drawbacks with the cast body vs. the machined body. Would the machined bodies be more robust than the cast bodies?

just curious?

Colin

 

[Bill Goehring]

What are the drawbacks with the cast body vs. the machined body.
Colin

none really, unless you consider how fetishism for the Epic-M could influence the rentability of a machined body over an Epic-X, which, among fetish-friendly cinematographers, could be a real possibility. but, considering the cost/benefit ratio, the payoff is probably more real for rental houses than owner/operators IMHO

 

[Colin Hubick]

none really, unless you consider how fetishism for the Epic-M could influence the rentability of a machined body over an Epic-X, which, among fetish-friendly cinematographers, could be a real possibility. but, considering the cost/benefit ratio, the payoff is probably more real for rental houses than owner/operators IMHO

Thanks Bill, I own and run a small visual effects studio, and we primarily use our Red, and will use the Epic for visual effects work. Light work load on our camera's but having access to these "light acquiring devices" has proved invaluable for us.

Thanks for your two cents!
Colin

 

[Tehben Dean]

Do you know that you can click on a RED "RED TEAM" logo and it will push you to the next RED Team post in the thread.

If you see the B&W RED TEAM logo, then its the last post by a RED Team member in the thread.

Try it out.

I did not know that... Thanks for pointing it out!

 

[cosmin fericean]

Hi i'm intrested also about one Epic-M
thanks
Cosmin Fericean

 

[Steve Dent]

I wouldn't be surprised if Jim has been on the assembly line and whipped up a few Epic-M's himself.

 

[Irmeli R]

NEVER EVER a single Panavision, Arriflex, Aaton, Phantom Or any Serious production camera or even prototype has been CNC machined from a single block. that was something left for PL mounts or any other mount types, and most of the time only used for building under water housings.

If you look carefully, touch and feel a master prime or any (zeiss lens besides the Vary-primes which are battle ready) You'll notice its not machined is actually made like 98% of Arri products on a process called micro forging. you can always google: "micro forging aluminum" and then click on images so you see the world revolves around it, from aerospace industry to high performance bicycle components. To Arri mattbox trays, they all come from micro forging. its just not economical to do less than 2000 pieces so thats a huge factor when de terming if certain parts are made from CNC machining or from Micro forging.

I happen to have my own CNC machine (5 axis) to make my own parts and pieces for my motorcycles and cameras, but only because that saves me the time that takes to make the very complex and expensive molds required for micro forging.

all metal parts of a viewfinder are machined. the whole inner skeleton of an arri or an aaton is machined. the 416 has some stamped sheetmetal parts as a skeleton for the mag. the outer housing is either sand cast or chill cast, then machined in certain areas. arri has its own casting facility: http://www.arri-giesstechnik.de/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekwh5O_wZu8