EPIC HDR...

[Michael Hastings]

But Epic dsmc should be great for studio shoots that would have used live view anyway.

 

[David Rasberry]

Well sports camera operators follow fast action and pull focus manually on very long lenses with electronic viewfinders at every televised football game. It is easier to do when your view is not interrupted by the shot and you can anticipate the movement. You can't really judge the VF lag with a DSLR as the reference as the sensor response and the LCD response are both considerably slower than is typical for motion cameras.

 

[Gunleik Groven]

Well sports camera operators follow fast action and pull focus manually on very long lenses with electronic viewfinders at every televised football game. It is easier to do when your view is not interrupted by shot and you can anticipate the movement.

Yup, but they don't do that on S35...

 

[Chuck Z]

Scarlet doing HDR at 24fps would be awesome :emote_happyhappy: Anything else has got to be cream.

I have to agree. You'd be receiving pretty incredible value if it is released with this feature at the proposed price point.

 

[Kris Anderson]

I think if ever there was a case of "the person who says it can't be done should not interrupt the person doing it".... RED/Epic is it.

 

[Christopher Racioppi]

Amazing!

Amazing!

This is a feature that I thought of 2 years ago. Reading this, I am legitimately lightheaded. The gravity of this to me is beyond mind blowing. I am a film student, but have my fair share of shooting DSLR in bracketing for HDR images.

Jim, you, your guys, and innovations are (to me) inconceivably amazing.

Thank you so much!

 

[Leo Sardello]

You are missing the point. In a video camera or dslr in video "live view" mode the autofocus is inherently less accurate particularly on moving subjects where the mirror allows the use of phase detection and better prediction of moving subjects and adjustment/correction during the mirror down/closed shutter period...

I’m not sure I particularly missed the point, that’s why I asked the question. Thank you for the clarification though.

I would still like to see what can be done with still extraction on high speed objects, but I’m sure that there will always be certain applications that require specific equipment.

 

[Steve Wake]

I need to clarify one thing...

EasyHDR happens in camera and there is NO hit to the data rate. Files come out of the camera the same size as normal mode. You are, however, constrained to 5K at 48fps. The HDR is "baked in" to the file so there is no post option for combining frames.

HDRx is recorded as two streams, so data rate is twice normal mode. Combining them happens in post and there are a wide variety of options for doing this. Again, you are limited to shooting maximum 5K at 48fps.

Jim

"limited to" is a little unclear as to whether that's an upper limit, but "constrained to" makes it sound like that is the ONLY frame rate for these modes. Hmm. I'll be a little vague, but being a lot more familiar with the techniques and technical aspects of still photography, my guess is that motion blur Magic (and maybe more of RED's HDR) was inspired by "rear curtain" technique. I.e., one frame's faster-shutter stop-motion first frame has important info about the highlights of moving objects in the previous frame.

Anyway, however it works, I can see from the still that it's more impressive than Panny's DRS, which is nice. Lot's of room for tonemapping - I don't know if grading quite describes what can be done with a HDR image. Is there some special software in the works? Equivalent to Photomatix or other stills HDR software that includes tonemapping?

 

[Jonathon Laing]

It would be nice. Though, if Scarlet did not do it, that would be a significant feature that would help differentiate Scarlet from Epic. So far, Epic is like 3x more expensive for overcranking being the only obvious big difference.

SHHHHHHH Dont give them any ideas shawn! I can only afford a Scarlet! :sad::mad5::gun::thumbdown:

 

[Stuart English]

HDR 5K 48 fps

HDR 5K 48 fps

"constrained to" makes it sound like that is the ONLY frame rate for these modes.

No, it's not the "only" frame rate Steve That's an up to 5K @ 48 fps number.

 

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

I have a feeling no HDR on Scarlet. Jim has said a few times that the EPIC processing power is way more than Scarlet, hence the frame rates, REDCODE options, etc. I doubt the Scarlet will be able to handle it. But hey, that's your difference between a $3000 and a $30000 Brain.

Let's see...

EPIC has higher processing power and achieves HDRx at 48fps at double data rate.

Perhaps Scarlet could have limited HDRx at 24fps. Please, pretty please with a RED cherry on top?

:coolgleamA:

 

[Lee Saxon]

Yeah, but 5K 100 FPS is huge. It's the feature I look forward to the most.

But worth, what, 4x the price? I'm not sure I'd buy Epic over Scarlet even if I could easily afford to.

 

[Sergio Perez]

Dont forget different redcodes between scarlet and epic. There should be visible image difference. I believe, however, that scarlet will have the single stream hdr, probably limited to 24/25 fps. That's ok for me. The epic will keep the much more creatively versatile X mode. Now how about adding hdr to the 100fps 3k mode of the scarlet, Red team?

 

[Cail Young]

Well sports camera operators follow fast action and pull focus manually on very long lenses with electronic viewfinders at every televised football game.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/broadcast/products/broadcast_lenses/field_lenses/digisuper_100af

I don't know the proportion of operators who would prefer manual focus for a focal length this long but I do know that AF broadcast zooms have been around for a few years now...

 

[Ralph B.]

I need to clarify one thing...

EasyHDR™™ happens in camera and there is NO hit to the data rate. Files come out of the camera the same size as normal mode. You are, however, constrained to 5K at 48fps. The HDR is "baked in" to the file so there is no post option for combining frames.

HDRx™™ is recorded as two streams, so data rate is twice normal mode. Combining them happens in post and there are a wide variety of options for doing this. Again, you are limited to shooting maximum 5K at 48fps.

Jim

So when you say "baked in" is this still RAW? Or is it in some way different from the RAW we would expect to come out of a RED camera in "regular" mode?

 

[Jannard]

So when you say "baked in" is this still RAW? Or is it in some way different from the RAW we would expect to come out of a RED camera in "regular" mode?

Yes... it is still records as REDCODE RAW. Only the HDR combining is "baked in". That probably is a bad choice of words...

Jim

 

[Luis Caffesse]

Yes... it is still records as REDCODE RAW. Only the HDR combining is "baked in". That probably is a bad choice of words...

Jim

So we're talking about single stream REDCODE RAW for EasyHDR vs dual stream REDCODE RAW for HDRx?

The footage would still be RAW in either case - just the HDR combining would be done in camera on EasyHDR, leaving you with only one stream. Is that right?

 

[Chuck Z]

Luis, that's the way I understand it as well.

I'm sure there will be forthcoming details that explain the difference in depth.

 

[J Davis]

HDRx™ is recorded as two streams

Now I think I can guess how you are doing it. The higher and lower exposures are created from different types of graeme de-bayer algorithms?

 

[Rob Ruffo]

Dont forget different redcodes between scarlet and epic. There should be visible image difference. I believe, however, that scarlet will have the single stream hdr, probably limited to 24/25 fps. That's ok for me. The epic will keep the much more creatively versatile X mode. Now how about adding hdr to the 100fps 3k mode of the scarlet, Red team?

Dude, forget teh fps - there is a HUGE difference between 2/3rds and bigger than S35 - you guys really don't get this!?