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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

EIZO CG318-4K Self-Calibrating DCI Display Announced

Eizo has a good rep and the self calibration feature is attractive. If they don't overprice it, it could be an solid option. The press release mentioned dual DP1.2 ports for 60Hz which is sub-optimal but not surprising since DP1.3 hardware is still in dev AFAIK. It mentioned HDMI but did not specify 1.4 or 2.0, just a 30Hz max, which likely means 1.4. If L. Langer is correct that the sticker price will be high, I'd be reticent to spend big and be stuck in EOL interface protocols…

Cheers - #19
 
I'm just hoping that the enormous glut of DP 1.2 monitors flooding the market over the past year doesn't mean that we're gonna be stuck with DP 1.2 for several more years since DP is only now taking hold in mid-range cards, many of which are still sporting dual DVI, one HDMI, and a VGA. I would love for triple DP w/ a single HDMI port design to become the standard in 2015.
 
Dual DP 1.2 is needed for 4096x2160 @ 60Hz when running 10/12 bit. Can do 3840x2160 @10bit over one DP 1.2 connection. IMO, if I'm going to bother with connecting dual DP cables, I'll go with the 5K Dell / LG display and take the extra resolution.

As is typical with EIZO, they're using an LG panel here -- same panel as the 31" LG DCI 4K monitor we're discussing around here. Not sure if they have made any changes or tweaks to the backlight system and the signal path and internal processing is all EIZO's doing. I'm still holding my breath, waiting for displays with DP1.3 and HDMI 2.0 to hit the market and that's probably 6~8 months out at this point.

We also have another scandal looming with HDMI 2.0 and it's going to be a big one... Since there is no new cable classification for 18Gbps+ HDMI 2.x and all existing CL2 HDMI "high speed" cables are supposed to work, people are in for a rude awakening. I'm finding in my testing that most of the current "high speed" HDMI cables, especially those over 2 meters in length, and even ones that are claimed to support HDMI 2.0, don't actually transmit 18Gbps reliably. The 18Gbps rated RedMere active cables do very well, unfortunately they're only available up to 15 feet right now and older 10.2Gbps active cables are obviously incompatible.

Kinda like DP1.2 cables... Damn hard to find in more than 2m length and I have yet to get any 3+ meter long DP1.2 cables or connections to work reliably at data rates over 10Gbps for 4K...
 
EIZOs support, warranty, etc have all be great to me, so I'm not going to jump on this but I'd like to see in person. I'm not crazy about the 4K displays out there, but I adore my CG277's
 
All I want for Christmas...

All I want for Christmas...

Jeff Kilgroe said:
(snip) We also have another scandal looming with HDMI 2.0 and it's going to be a big one... Since there is no new cable classification for 18Gbps+ HDMI 2.x and all existing CL2 HDMI "high speed" cables are supposed to work, people are in for a rude awakening. I'm finding in my testing that most of the current "high speed" HDMI cables, especially those over 2 meters in length, and even ones that are claimed to support HDMI 2.0, don't actually transmit 18Gbps reliably. The 18Gbps rated RedMere active cables do very well, unfortunately they're only available up to 15 feet right now and older 10.2Gbps active cables are obviously incompatible.

Kinda like DP1.2 cables... Damn hard to find in more than 2m length and I have yet to get any 3+ meter long DP1.2 cables or connections to work reliably at data rates over 10Gbps for 4K...
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Absolutely spot on post Mr. Kilgroe. This whole I/O nonsense we are dealing with at this point is maddening.

Dear Santa Claus,

If I'm real good this year, could I have a fast, widely supported interconnect standard for all my devices… pretty please… willing to beg… promise not to sing… (I suck)

Cheers - #19
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Dual DP 1.2 is needed for 4096x2160 @ 60Hz when running 10/12 bit. Can do 3840x2160 @10bit over one DP 1.2 connection. IMO, if I'm going to bother with connecting dual DP cables, I'll go with the 5K Dell / LG display and take the extra resolution.

As is typical with EIZO, they're using an LG panel here -- same panel as the 31" LG DCI 4K monitor we're discussing around here. Not sure if they have made any changes or tweaks to the backlight system and the signal path and internal processing is all EIZO's doing. I'm still holding my breath, waiting for displays with DP1.3 and HDMI 2.0 to hit the market and that's probably 6~8 months out at this point.

We also have another scandal looming with HDMI 2.0 and it's going to be a big one... Since there is no new cable classification for 18Gbps+ HDMI 2.x and all existing CL2 HDMI "high speed" cables are supposed to work, people are in for a rude awakening. I'm finding in my testing that most of the current "high speed" HDMI cables, especially those over 2 meters in length, and even ones that are claimed to support HDMI 2.0, don't actually transmit 18Gbps reliably. The 18Gbps rated RedMere active cables do very well, unfortunately they're only available up to 15 feet right now and older 10.2Gbps active cables are obviously incompatible.

Kinda like DP1.2 cables... Damn hard to find in more than 2m length and I have yet to get any 3+ meter long DP1.2 cables or connections to work reliably at data rates over 10Gbps for 4K...
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I have a feeling that much of this cable nonsense will get buttoned up a bit mid through late 2015. But, boy or boy did "delaying" a faster development of the HDMI 2.0 standard screw a lot of things for everybody. Not just display manufacturers either. Luckily many of those folks are also in the 1-3 year product cycle game and their cost analysis allows for things like these 31 inch DCI 4K displays that work for a lot of things, just not all of the things. At least not yet :)

2 years from now, much of this will be a forgotten memory of these wild and crazy times.
 
The Eizo CG318 has got an official price in Europe, Not Cheap ! but it's supposed to be a new panel not used by any current manufacturer.
I can confirm this is the recommended price for the unit.

http://www.nativedigital.com/eizo-coloredge-cg318-4k-dci-31-inch-monitor/

Also

Eizo look set to launch a 24" version the CG248, prices are reported to be 2,000 Euro plus vat (not as sure about this pricing)

http://www.eizo.co.jp/products/ce/cg2484k/sp/

I was hoping for an updated 27" version of the CG277 (CG278) here's hoping it's still in the pipeline !
 
This is just my opinion, but the Eizo CG 318 pricing seems quiet high (given the recent trends in lower cost 4K monitors)
Based on U.K. prices you are looking at roughly 5,746.32 Euro (vat included) for this monitor, although it has in built calibration and LUT's it doesn't have the same level of film features and scopes as say a Flanders Monitor.
Personally I think 3,000 Euro including vat is the sweet spot for a quality 4K monitor with Eizo's features.
Hopefully they may update the 27" CG277 to 4K and release it for around this price.
JMO.

http://www.nativedigital.com/eizo-coloredge-cg318-4k-dci-31-inch-monitor/
 
we are starting to see more options which is nice.

now that we have more options I'm having a hard time deciding what I want.

I'd love an LG 29'' 4K version the 34'' is too big for my cart but would be great for home.

HP has new Z series coming out, I'd like to see how well the Z24s holds up considering its affordable at $500 in April.
 
PatrickFaith said:
I'm just about to click buy on the cc318, for color correction and reference ... anyone play with one yet?
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I've sat down in front of one for about 2 hours. I like it. It's the same panel as the LG 31" (which I own), but with automatic calibration which is nice.
 
PatrickFaith said:
I'm just about to click buy on the cc318, for color correction and reference ... anyone play with one yet?
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I checked it out at Siggraph. Its definitely nice, and the calibration routine is great. They even have a network/service setup where an admin can setup and deploy calibrations across the network.

It's a nice panel but man you do pay for it.
 
As always, if u want accurate calibration u need to use high quality external probes and sw... the internal probes are usually not great and not suitable to prepare a display for color critical application...

great thing about Eizo is always the internal LUT storage... would love to see some cal reports if one of u picks-up the display...
 
Phil Holland said:
I've sat down in front of one for about 2 hours. I like it. It's the same panel as the LG 31" (which I own), but with automatic calibration which is nice.
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Super cool, thanks phil.

DJ Meyer said:
I checked it out at Siggraph. Its definitely nice, and the calibration routine is great. They even have a network/service setup where an admin can setup and deploy calibrations across the network.

It's a nice panel but man you do pay for it.
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I was not familiar with this, so when i saw the price tag (like you mentioned) from my post systems integrator I just wanted to double check i was getting the right thing.
 
I finally got the cg318, is awesome. It has a bunch of options though that I am not sure which ones to use for grading. Currently I put the following values as my target:
100 cd/m2
whitepont 5500k
gamma 2.2

That seem reasonable?

Btw I really like the little electronic motorized arm that comes down during calibration ... is very cool.

Edt ... hmm ... well since it has it, I decided to do my primary grading in rec2020, then do other secondary distribution grades from that.
 
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