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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

DSMC2 BETA V7.1

Great point here.....


Another one I find is a bit odd is the coloring menue where the menu covers pretty much all of the rouch screen. Not easy to see whats done to the image if not having a second monitor.[/QUOTE]
 
alexjentz said:
We have passed the era of mechanical shutters even though, some are trying to hold on to the past. Nothing wrong doing that but, let's move forward.
... since the first day of using a digital 35mm sensor on the RED ONE, after coming from the likes of 435 film cameras, and then thinking about it, it never occurred to me why in the world i would want to see or set an Angle of Degree of a Mechanical Shutter in a Digital Sensor Camera... There is just no mechanical in there!
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Ok I may have started this discussion and I hate to hijack a thread but let me just qualify my position and why I prefer Red's "Shutter Angle" setting. It has nothing to do with being "old school or a film romantic." It is simply a setting that by default maintains the correct shutter speed for any given camera speed. IF you do not maintain this relationship and the shutter is to "slow" for a given frame rate the extra motion blur looks un natural and videoish. If the shutter is too fast then the image becomes staccato and sharp with little motion blur. My usual shooting scenario sees me often changing camera speed and this setting means I do not need to do the extra work of recalculating the shutter speed. Don't misunderstand me as there are situations where you might want to break that convention of shutter speed to FPS to create a "look" but if you do this you are now changing another parameter and that is how the camera represents motion. There is no right and wrong way to approach this process but I believe that the "Shutter Angle" setting is a better default position in the FW for a motion picture camera.
 
Tom Gleeson said:
Ok I may have started this discussion and I hate to hijack a thread but let me just qualify my position and why I prefer Red's "Shutter Angle" setting. It has nothing to do with being "old school or a film romantic." It is simply a setting that by default maintains the correct shutter speed for any given camera speed. IF you do not maintain this relationship and the shutter is to "slow" for a given frame rate the extra motion blur looks un natural and videoish. If the shutter is too fast then the image becomes staccato and sharp with little motion blur. My usual shooting scenario sees me often changing camera speed and this setting means I do not need to do the extra work of recalculating the shutter speed. Don't misunderstand me as there are situations where you might want to break that convention of shutter speed to FPS to create a "look" but if you do this you are now changing another parameter and that is how the camera represents motion. There is no right and wrong way to approach this process but I believe that the "Shutter Angle" setting is a better default position in the FW for a motion picture camera.
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I agree Tom. I think Bjorn said it best:

Björn Benckert said:
Keeping it at speed is a great way to keep keep both dp’s and ac’s a bit on toes. To me the degree makes so much more sense when flipping through odd framerates and such.

....Sure the degree number where the full frame exposure is equal to 360 is an reference to a spinning mirror. In the digital age maybe we should start talking fractions instead. Like .5 would be equal to 180 deg.
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The point is, it has nothing to do with mechanical vs digital. It's a simple relationship. Any fraction of 360 degrees tells you the fraction of frame time you're exposing. Want 50%? Go for 180 degrees. Then your amount of open shutter to closed remains the same regardless of frame rate. Less work. Less chance of screwing up on set.

As Bjorn suggests, if you don't like degrees because you don't like talking "old hat", then we could all start talking fractions. Or percentages. Or if you really want to go digital, why not a digital number out of, say, 16 bits (say 32768 out of a max of 65535 instead of 180 degrees)? But hey, what's wrong with degrees if we've been using them for decades? They're simple and everyone understands them. It really doesn't matter what unit you use. What matters is the relationship is constant regardless of frame rate. If you have to set the shutter open time as well as the frame rate, that's more work. More chance of getting it wrong when rushed on set.
 
Focus peaking! So excited. Hope its as good as the Sony camera's.
 
If people want to change the default from "speed" to "angle", it makes absolutely no difference to me. I have to run a preset every firmware update anyway to get custom key mappings and other preferences set up anyway. It's not any faster one way or another.

I also don't think we need to abandon the name "shutter angle" for something else. There are plenty of analog terms that made it into the digital world that are just fine the way they are. They no longer represent exactly what they meant before, but their definitions have changed and evolved over time. Everyone understands what "cut" and "paste" means even though we're not using scissors and glue. And we all know what "roll camera" means even though there's no film spinning through these cameras.
 
Aaron Lochert said:
There are plenty of analog terms that made it into the digital world that are just fine the way they are. They no longer represent exactly what they meant before, but their definitions have changed and evolved over time. Everyone understands what "cut" and "paste" means even though we're not using scissors and glue. And we all know what "roll camera" means even though there's no film spinning through these cameras.
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Yup. 100000% agree.
 
Used it on a TVC today. Love peaking and the more responsive menus. A few times the LCD (4.7) "hung" for a split second, before it went back to "realtime". Not sure what I did prior, as it was quite hectic. It wasn't a bad bug, but enough to give me a small fright, as I took the chance to run BETA firmware on a shoot
 
Ryan Sauve said:
Still getting redmag mounting issues all over the place on this version.
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Please report to red as are months that they cannot fox this! I heard that is mainly for the 120gb Mags as suggestion, when ejecting the mag from the computer ise the EJECT in the drop down menu of red watch dog, then it shpuld mount
 
Luca Volpe said:
Please report to red as are months that they cannot fox this! I heard that is mainly for the 120gb Mags as suggestion, when ejecting the mag from the computer ise the EJECT in the drop down menu of red watch dog, then it shpuld mount
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I have. They reached out to me, which was cool. But this happens with both my 120GB and 480GB cards. My PC always recognizes them and I've always ejected them properly.
 
Ryan Sauve said:
I have. They reached out to me, which was cool. But this happens with both my 120GB and 480GB cards. My PC always recognizes them and I've always ejected them properly.
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are you secure formating the cards? You always need to do secure format you using a mag with new firmware.
 
Tried out the beta 7.1.0b7 firmware on an Epic-W, and now would like to downgrade to a stable version for an upcoming shoot. However the camera won't take the 7.0.4 firmware. Booting with that on the SSD runs the fans for about 8 seconds, then the camera shuts off. When I boot it, the system still reports 7.1.0b7 firmware. What am I missing?
 
Mestizo Devon said:
Love to see 2K 4444 opened up for all dsmc2
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I think they all already have it. Only Scarlet-Ws don't, and now they are not anymore considered DSMC².
But that would be cool indeed.
On Scarlet-W, it's actually more important than Prores 4k
 
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