Dragon Update

[Sergio Perez]

Great update. Just a little bit sad I couldn't get it for the Macau Grand Prix! Upgrade next year!

 

[Bob Gundu]

I am sorry but I don't follow here. I don't feel this was ever fully explained out. If I would have known that I could have upgraded to Epic and then upgrade to Dragon and still be ahead of my initial Scarlet to Epic Dragon place than I would have. I don't think this was really fully explained. Not to mention I put aside my 18K with the understanding that these were going to be released this summer while everyone else put up 9 K and have had fun with their Epics all summer and now can still get their Dragons before me? O well, guess the joke was on me...

Hey Brad. I had to wrap my head around this too. I decided to upgrade to Epic first because I figured I'll at least have the summer to use it before Dragon was ready. Your Bomb Squad should have made it obvious that Dragon was going to take some time.

 

[Elsie N]

Hey Brad. I had to wrap my head around this too. I decided to upgrade to Epic first because I figured I'll at least have the summer to use it before Dragon was ready. Your Bomb Squad should have made it obvious that Dragon was going to take some time.

My impression of how things progressed was that the sensor output caught them by surprise. Plus, I'm not sure Bomb Squad reps are kept in the loop other than on a "need-to-know" basis. By that I mean, when things are in flux and not known how or when they will be solved, there is no policy to inform the Bomb Squad reps until the outcome is known.

 

[PC Greene]

Great news as I'd hoped we'd get fan 2.0 w/ our dragon upgrade. The link below also states"- Laser engraved “DRAGON” on DSMC 1.8” SSD SIDE MODULE". Does this mean we send our side SSD module in for rebranding as well? Happy to . Thanks!

PCG

Top/fan kits come with all EPIC-M new DRAGON cameras (standard or carbon fiber) and all DRAGON EPIC sensor upgrades (X or M brains): https://support.red.com/entries/23769427-What-does-the-EPIC-RED-DRAGON-upgrade-include-

If you already have them: https://support.red.com/entries/274...-0-UPGRADE-KIT-before-the-RED-DRAGON-upgrade-

 

[Brad Grimm]

Hey Brad. I had to wrap my head around this too. I decided to upgrade to Epic first because I figured I'll at least have the summer to use it before Dragon was ready. Your Bomb Squad should have made it obvious that Dragon was going to take some time.

Yea I know.. And I knew it was going to take some time and to be honest the delay was expected and not an issue at all. The problem I have is how this Priority queue is set up. I mean its very simple. Someone who put down 18 K on March first should take priority over someone who put down 9 K March first. And please don't think I am trying to direct this at you or don't want you to get your Dragon or anyone for that matter, any less soon, But its just a bit frustrating.

 

[Brent Carter]

oh sweet music to my ears!

is there any way of know what number in the queue will be out in the wild by Dec. 1 when the faucet turns on.

highly curious, like everyone else....

are Rocket-Xs going out before, during, or after camera upgrades, as a general rule? after Dec. 1, I mean.

Since when do we say quantities? : )

ROCKET-X, in conjunction with.

 

[Bob Gundu]

My impression of how things progressed was that the sensor output caught them by surprise. Plus, I'm not sure Bomb Squad reps are kept in the loop other than on a "need-to-know" basis. By that I mean, when things are in flux and not known how or when they will be solved, there is no policy to inform the Bomb Squad reps until the outcome is known.

Yes I agree Elsie. With the information I was given though, I felt there was no advantage to jumping to Epic Dragon immediately. Logic would have dictated that it should have moved you up the line, but Epic owners still get first dibs before the Scarlets do. History also solidified my decision to go Epic first because I knew was able to get that much sooner.

 

[Elsie N]

Yea I know.. And I knew it was going to take some time and to be honest the delay was expected and not an issue at all. The problem I have is how this Priority queue is set up. I mean its very simple. Someone who put down 18 K on March first should take priority over someone who put down 9 K March first. And please don't think I am trying to direct this at you or don't want you to get your Dragon or anyone for that matter, any less soon, But its just a bit frustrating.

I sympathize... I had the money for my first Epic X on account with RED for like 5 or 6 years (O.K.... it was probably only for a year but it seemed like more '-)

 

[Brent Carter]

The reason we offered SCARLET > EPIC DRAGON direct path is someone asked when we posted DRAGON paths at NAB '13, if we could do that in one step instead of the two. So we offered it. Some people preferred the convenience of the one step instead of being without your camera twice (once for SCARLET > EPIC M-X trade in and once for EPIC M-X to EPIC DRAGON). We stated that EPIC M-X > EPIC DRAGON would start before SCARLET > EPIC DRAGON from the beginning....

And, before we throw the baby out with the bathwater, there are two reasons companies rather you buy new than these upgrades. One, it makes them more money. Two, it is a b*tch to run logistically. We hope Jim's vision and our efforts are worth what may seem like a confusing and complicated process. We think it is : ).

 

[Stephen Franchek]

Red best turn that Faucet all the way to the right, so I can remake DOLEMITE!!

 

[Sergio Perez]

This vision was one of the main reasons for me to go Red. Its a company like no other in the world in the business. Keep doing what you're doing, Red Team. We will be here for the ride.

 

[Bob Gundu]

The reason we offered SCARLET > EPIC DRAGON direct path is someone asked when we posted it, if we could do that in one step instead of the two. So we offered it. Some people preferred the convenience of the one step instead of being without your camera twice (once for SCARLET > EPIC M-X trade in and once for EPIC M-X to EPIC DRAGON). We stated that EPIC M-X > EPIC DRAGON would start before SCARLET > EPIC DRAGON from the beginning....

And, before we throw the baby out with the bathwater, there are two reasons companies rather you buy new than these upgrades. One, it makes them more money. Two, it is a b*tch to run logistically. We hope Jim's vision and our efforts are worth what may seem like a confusing and complicated process. We think it is : ).

REDs philosophy reminds me of the campaign Lexus was running... "The Persuit of Perfection - The hard way... is the only way"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8zdWnPhhc&list=PLFFAFF2320923A7F5

 

[Brad Grimm]

The reason we offered SCARLET > EPIC DRAGON direct path is someone asked when we posted it, if we could do that in one step instead of the two. So we offered it. Some people preferred the convenience of the one step instead of being without your camera twice (once for SCARLET > EPIC M-X trade in and once for EPIC M-X to EPIC DRAGON). We stated that EPIC M-X > EPIC DRAGON would start before SCARLET > EPIC DRAGON from the beginning....

And, before we throw the baby out with the bathwater, there are two reasons companies rather you buy new than these upgrades. One, it makes them more money. Two, it is a b*tch to run logistically. We hope Jim's vision and our efforts are worth what may seem like a confusing and complicated process. We think it is : ).

Yea.. but it wasn't clear newly upgraded Epics from Scarlets would take priority....

But Truthfully, All I was really trying to do is make the upgrade process less painful for you guys..!! One lump sum of cash and you only need to get me a new camera instead of new camera followed by upgrade..

Anyways its all good.. My little Scarlet still is bringing home the beautiful images.

 

[Stacey Spears]

RED never said what it was based on and it may not be LCOS.

Jim said it was LCOS at the end of one of the demos when pressed about it. At CES TI said that consumer UHD DLP chips would be available around 2015.

 

[Elsie N]

... We hope Jim's vision and our efforts are worth what may seem like a confusing and complicated process. We think it is : ).

Playing the Founder's Card Brent?

Well, it worked (on me, at least.) I for one am very appreciative of the good work you, Jarred and the whole enterprise do. It's one of the constants that many of us as customers count on.

 

[Antonio Forjaz]

deal

I am in the same exact situation, both dragon and rocket x paid for since the day I ordered, way back...would be nice to get a cap.

 

[Brent Carter]

Playing the Founder's Card Brent?

Well, it worked (on me, at least.) I for one am very appreciative of the good work you, Jarred and the whole enterprise do. It's one of the constants that many of us as customers count on.

Haha, I have worked for Jim for over 12 years now, not playing any cards (at least not intentionally). Just saying from at Oakley where the first pair of sunglasses had a lifetime warranty to "obsolescence obsolete" at RED, his vision and dedication to always putting himself in the customer's shoes are just two of the reasons I followed him from Oakley to RED. I know everyone gets that RED is truly unique - and sometimes that requires a little more patience and understanding, but I think we can all agree that the destination is worth the journey. And the journey is one heck of a ride in of itself.

No one ever called us boring : )

 

[Vincent Larsson]

So do we know if the Scarlet Dragon will have look-around for 6K? Seems odd if they didn't have the exact same sensor Scarlet/Epic-wise as with MX.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

The interesting thing is that it technically could be, based on info stated back when RED was still talking about it. The projector was to be capable of SIMULTANEOUS full-res 4K stereo, meaning it's throwing around 8K worth of pixels at a time. Now imagine if instead of running 4K 3D, we run 8K 2D by offsetting the two rasters from one another by half a pixel size both horizontally and vertically.

And we should probably take this to one of the laser projector threads because it doesn't belong here...

You first, I'm about to get busy. I actually have sourced 8k lcos last year or so, and was planning on doing a 8k laser projector before my engineer ran off. The reality is that there is a market for both 4k and 8k. The impressive thing is that the chip had very high fill factor and reflectivity, a lot lot more than I was suspecting.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

The Red laser projector was based on an lcos modulator, not a direct laser raster.
The laser was used as the light source only. There are no 8k lcos devices now.
Do you think that the design has changed ? It's possible, as the first theater laser projector in the field has obtained a waiver from the rules prohibiting direct laser rasters shot at the screen.
The direct raster would make ultra high contrast ratios possible. Lcos, not so much, As seen at the NAB demo with it's milky blacks.

You first, I'm about to get busy. I actually have sourced 8k lcos last year or so, and was planning on doing a 8k laser projector before my engineer ran off. The reality is that there is a market for both 4k and 8k. The impressive thing is that the chip had very high fill factor and reflectivity, a lot lot more than I was expecting.

Les, I can get extremely high contrast ratios from lcos with my design. I don't know what is playing around at Red, but it must be more complex than a straight laser projector that should have been finished three years ago. That company peooke say they must be working with, were designing rear projection sets. Makes me wonder which part is the delay. But this special permission idea is an interesting one. They are focused on the big screen, and extra brightness matters a lot, so it might be that they are waiting for the dust to settle on regulation or further research, or a special permission for the cinema version. This will keep the consumer version back until as well, even if they are prepared to settle for less brightness. In a normal cinema, the projector beam should be out of reach of the audience, so it would make sense for cinema projectors to have a higher rating.