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Dragon Update

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I wish I had traded for an epic-x and upgraded to epic-D later on, instead of going straight from scarlet to epic-D. I've already lost too many big jobs to people with epics
 
Michael Jarvis said:
Ok ok! Fine! I'll release the first RED Dragon footage. I know you all have been waiting for it. Well, here it is. This could be the best looking footage in the industry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg_sRg1k7ts
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I knew it wasn't going to be Dragon footage but you could have done better. Unfortunately, the penalty for Rick Rolling is one red camera. Hand it over, Jimmy
 
Heard a Rumor users have got their first Dragon sensor today... any truth?
 
Elsie N said:
All I'm sayin' is RED is good enough for Peter Jackson, Fincher and Steven Soderberg et al... and they aren't exactly chopped liver.
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- Peter Jackson doesn't jump to the top of my list when I think "visually driven films". And his last few have been mostly matte paintings.
- David Fincher: love his style but except for social network he generally goes towards the black and blue end of the color spectrum. Which doesn't lend itself to every project.
- Steven Soderberg: Shot a film on the XL1. Great director, but doesn't seem to really care about the image. You could as easily say "If the XL1 is good enough for him then it's good enough for me!"
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
- Steven Soderberg: Shot a film on the XL1. Great director, but doesn't seem to really care about the image. You could as easily say "If the XL1 is good enough for him then it's good enough for me!"
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I think Steven Soderberg sees Red cameras as a package - he likes the image, but he also seems to love the size and convenience.
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
- Peter Jackson doesn't jump to the top of my list when I think "visually driven films". And his last few have been mostly matte paintings.
- David Fincher: love his style but except for social network he generally goes towards the black and blue end of the color spectrum. Which doesn't lend itself to every project.
- Steven Soderberg: Shot a film on the XL1. Great director, but doesn't seem to really care about the image. You could as easily say "If the XL1 is good enough for him then it's good enough for me!"
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On my 65^3 calibrated 65VT50 in 24fps, the grading on The Hobbit was fantastic, I was very surprised... PJ's use (and overuse) of CGI (and lack of QC) in some scenes has always been funny - but the image looked outstanding...

Soderberg's Che looked decent, but after Haywire it is clear that he must love the camera for the convenience... ;-) that movie literally came straight from the rough cut into release, plain ugly with no grading at all...
 
Mike Nagel said:
Soderberg's Che looked decent, but after Haywire it is clear that he must love the camera for the convenience... ;-) that movie literally came straight from the rough cut into release, plain ugly with no grading at all...
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Hate to tell you but it was graded.... Yeah, it looks terrible. I watched it for fun and was appalled.

http://michaelcioni.tumblr.com/post/16083208751/the-di-difference-of-haywire

Anyways, I hear a rumor that some Epics just got upgraded with the Dragon. Anyone else hear anything?
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
- Peter Jackson doesn't jump to the top of my list when I think "visually driven films". And his last few have been mostly matte paintings.
- David Fincher: love his style but except for social network he generally goes towards the black and blue end of the color spectrum. Which doesn't lend itself to every project.
- Steven Soderberg: Shot a film on the XL1. Great director, but doesn't seem to really care about the image. You could as easily say "If the XL1 is good enough for him then it's good enough for me!"
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But my point is... would these films have made one dollar more if they had been painstakingly pored over by a perfectionist DP who thinks he's shooting Ryan's Daughter or GWTW?

I can see a group of movie-goers now outside the multi-plex discussing which movie to go to and one of them saying "Oh, let's go see the Rise of The Killer Tomatos... I've heard if you take a still from the movie the tomato looks more like a Brandywine rather than a Better Boy or Celebrity." '-)

Yes... good DPs are important to a movie, but they are not THE most important part of the whole.
 
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Mike Nagel said:
On my 65^3 calibrated 65VT50 in 24fps, the grading on The Hobbit was fantastic, I was very surprised... PJ's use (and overuse) of CGI (and lack of QC) in some scenes has always been funny - but the image looked outstanding...
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Unfortunately I felt PJ and company hopped onto the turqoise and orange bandwagon for most of that movie. I'm sick of the trend; it's fatiguing to the eyes.
 
Elsie N said:
Yes... good DPs are important to a movie, but they are not THE most important part of the whole.
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Ummm... I guess. But they are the person on a production who I would most credit for the look of a film. But if we're going to go off into left field then you could say "if Epic is good enough for ___insert_favorite_writer___ then it's good enough for me!" After all writers are really important to a film. Perhaps THE most important part of the whole film. But if the subject matter is image, skin tones and color response I'm probably not going to go ask the writer what cameras were used on their best written films.

And not to go off into the weeds too far, I do recommend Epic for most everything I work on. But I also think that Deakin's opinion is spot on, which shouldn't be a surprise since it's his life's work to scrutinize images (unlike Sodenberg et. all).
 
Elsie N said:
But my point is... would these films have made one dollar more if they had been painstakingly pored over by a perfectionist DP who thinks he's shooting Ryan's Daughter or GWTW?

I can see a group of movie-goers now outside the multi-plex discussing which movie to go to and one of them saying "Oh, let's go see the Rise of The Killer Tomatos... I've heard if you take a still from the movie the tomato looks more like a Brandywine rather than a Better Boy or Celebrity." '-)

Yes... good DPs are important to a movie, but they are not THE most important part of the whole.
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Then why are you wasting your time on a cinematography forum?
 
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