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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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As far as I know Jim owns several Alexas, and has since day one. I'm pretty sure he owns every digital camera ever made, even some that were never released in more than tiny numbers. He's famously an avid camera collector.

Arthur's claim is ludicrous. Of course they have taken apart Alexas before (not rented ones!!!!), and Arri has taken apart Reds. You own a camera company you'd want to know what your competitor is doing, not to copy it, but to understand the competitive playing field as much as possible. Jim is no fool, nor is anyone else at Red in my experience.
 
Jarred Land said:
Trust me.. if we wanted to take apart an Alexa ( which we don't ) we wouldn't rent someone's camera to do so. We do rent cameras to shoot charts, like any normal company would.
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You read this, right?

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Robert Ruffo New said:
As far as I know Jim owns several Alexas, and has since day one. I'm pretty sure he owns every digital camera ever made, even some that were never released in more than tiny numbers. He's famously an avid camera collector.

Arthur's claim is ludicrous. Of course they have taken apart Alexas before (not rented ones!!!!), and Arri has taken apart Reds. You own a camera company you'd want to know what your competitor is doing, not to copy it, but to understand the competitive playing field as much as possible. Jim is no fool, nor is anyone else at Red in my experience.
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Robert Ruffo New said:
As far as I know Jim owns several Alexas, and has since day one. I'm pretty sure he owns every digital camera ever made, even some that were never released in more than tiny numbers. He's famously an avid camera collector.

Arthur's claim is ludicrous. Of course they have taken apart Alexas before (not rented ones!!!!), and Arri has taken apart Reds. You own a camera company you'd want to know what your competitor is doing, not to copy it, but to understand the competitive playing field as much as possible. Jim is no fool, nor is anyone else at Red in my experience.
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I'm sure RED doesn't plunder Jim's personal camera collection whenever they need to do tests and comparisons. That's a silly assertion.

Arthur never said anything about RED disassembling the Alexa. You're making wild shots in the dark in an apparent eagerness to jump in to an internet argument.

I'm curious as to how this became a negative point for people. I would applaud RED for comparing and testing cameras. It's important to do your research, and I would hope they've analyzed the Alexa, as it's an incredibly pleasing camera.
 
Niko Pueringer said:
I'm sure RED doesn't plunder Jim's personal camera collection whenever they need to do tests and comparisons. That's a silly assertion.

Arthur never said anything about RED disassembling the Alexa. You're making wild shots in the dark in an apparent eagerness to jump in to an internet argument.

I'm curious as to how this became a negative point for people. I would applaud RED for comparing and testing cameras. It's important to do your research, and I would hope they've analyzed the Alexa, as it's an incredibly pleasing camera.
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Niko go read To's post again and explain how its an innocent statement.How do you feel someone makes false statements about your company? Just tell me who is telling truth on this case
To says RED rented his camera for development
'' they explained that it was for developing the new OLPF sensor, and they needed an Alexa to study for the initial R&D. The primary goal of the development was to fix the skin tones that came out using the current sensor.''
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its his words not mine!!!

and RED says different..
 
Yikes, I didn't mean to start a fire. Just thought I'd share some info. I highly doubt they took apart my camera, and I'd never be okay with that. Also the friends up at red wouldnt do that to me (it'd void the warranty). I think, like Jarred said, it was just to shoot charts and all. I don't know how many alexas red owns or what they've done, and i dont care. Maybe i was misinformed, maybe I wasnt. I'm just sharing what i was told, not making wild claims. I'm not a rental company, just an owner, a proud owner of multiple RED cameras that is excited about the new OLPF. Making a false (or ludicrous) claim doesn't benefit me in any way, and quite the opposite, it hurts my credibility. Having a bruised credibility in this industry is not a good thing.

And about NDA. It wasn't a fancy agreement of any sort, it was just "can we borrow your camera. here's thank-you money" followed by "oh cool, long time no see, what are you guys up to with this camera?"
Studying a competitors product in order to better your own isnt exactly a "SHHHH" type of thing. But if that's dramatically 'untrustworthy' then... i mean, sure. :)

This direction of this conversation is discouraging, but [almost] not surprising. I would've kept it off this board if I knew it'd actually offend people.
 
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Phil Holland said:
I never heard of Red offering a Low Contrast filter, but these should answer both of your questions
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Hey Phil, at some point Jim (or Jarred?) appeared open to creating a more "Alexa-like" OLPF that was more low-con, if there was enough demand for it (I believe the idea was it could be user requested). It was a statement made once, late at night (if I remember correctly) - not sure what ever came of it...or if it will (or should) become reality, considering how successful the current OLPF appears to be.
 
Nick Morrison said:
Hey Phil, at some point Jim (or Jarred?) appeared open to creating a more "Alexa-like" OLPF that was more low-con, if there was enough demand for it (I believe the idea was it could be user requested). It was a statement made once, late at night (if I remember correctly) - not sure what ever came of it...or if it will (or should) become reality, considering how successful the current OLPF appears to be.
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I remember it too, and it was definitely one of those late night posts.
 
Was a slow news day so we make drama where we can ;-)
 
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Phil holland has already stated that the Dragon OLPF is user interchangeable.

This would support the idea of different OLPFs for different situations. Cameras dedicated to different shooting situations could have different OLPFs for those situations.

Considering how long OLPF development takes, I'm not sure we will see this anytime real soon, buts it's more than a passing jim comment, user replaceable OLPF is part of the sensor upgrade.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showth...OLPF-in-Epic&p=1322725&highlight=#post1322725

Phil Holland said:
The OLPF on Dragon is in fact user replaceable. I have no ideas what Red has planned, but this new Dragon OLPF is purely designed for Dragon. Also Red HQ required calibration is necessary no matter what as there's some under the hood stuff that needs to get updated.


One thing that is interesting that I recently learned is that part of the reason the OLPF has some distance between it and the sensor is to minimize the appearance of potential dust/particles that can get inside the sensor box.


As for the future of Mysterium-X getting a new OLPF, tuned color science, and calibration I have no idea. The sensor itself is part of this equation.
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You can always put a low con IN FRONT of the lens too, just sayin...
 
Yeah definitely I'll would only suggest the use of a LowCon "on lens" filter.

My favorites have been the Schneider "Black Mist" & "Classic Soft" the new "HD Classic Soft" are very nice as well, need to do a test to see which works better on Dragon, but I would also never use too strong of filtration either.
 
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