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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Dragon / Epic / Scarlet Camera Beta Build 5.1.29

D Fuller said:
I don't know if this is true for Canon, but Nikon-mount lenses come various levels of support for the Nikon protocols. I have been hoping for some guidelines to help figure which might or might not work, but nobody at Red has been able or had the time to give that sort of guidance. Or maybe it's just not possible. (Nikon is like Microsoft, in that backward compatibility is given high priority, but it is a hard thing to maintain. I'm sure that makes things complicated.)

In any case, I believe that one clue to lenses that might not work is the number of contacts on the lens. I think that fewer-than-normal contacts indicate less-than-complete support for the protocols, and that's bad news. Both my Tokina 11-15 and Nikkor 10.5 have fewer contacts than the other G lenses.
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You are correct in that the Nikon lenses have a lot of backward compatibility to deal with. For focus to work, they need to be AF-S lenses. Aperture control should work for any Nikon lens, though it may not be as snappy for unsupported lenses.
There are two models of the Tokina 11-16mm, the DX does not have an internal focus motor, the DX II does. Aperture control should still work for either.
Basically, if you want to have AF or rack focus control, you will need a lens that has an internal focus motor.

The lens profiling functionality is still beta - hence being in a beta release. There are some kinks still to be worked out.
For primes, it should scan through the focus a couple times and that's all you should need. For zooms, there is also the option to improve the calibration by running the calibraiton at other zoom distances (menu->settings->maintenance->settings->lens iirc). Also, you can save and import calibrations to/from SSD for safe keeping. There should be a section in the beta's manual about how to use it.
 
Anyone had any issues with Scarlet on this firmware? Got a shoot on Saturday and probably won't have time to test, and the camera currently has v5.1.26 on it, which I also didn't have time to test but which I know caused some a few problems.
 
+1 for the Tokina 11-16mm F2.8, AT-X 116 PRO DX for Canon. It's the lens I use most of the time together with the Canon EFS 17-55mm. Thanks!
 
Luca Orlandi said:
You can easily calibrate the 24-70mk2 at all focal lengths.
See pages 75-81 of the"RED DSMC OPERATION GUIDE" (LENS CALIBRATION).
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Thank you for pointing this out. I've looked for this exact information in the manual's TOC, but it doesn't show up there. I confess it's been a while since I've read the manual cover to cover. Guess it's time to do that again.
 
Zeke Burgess said:
There are two models of the Tokina 11-16mm, the DX does not have an internal focus motor, the DX II does. Aperture control should still work for either.
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Yes, I understand focus will not work without an internal motor. But aperture control does not work on version I of this lens. (At least it does not on my copy.) it does control it until you record, the at the end of the shot the camera closes the iris completely and stops communicating. You have to dismount and remount the lens or re-establish communication.
 
There for a minute I thought the video was gonna be how to directions for home Dragon upgrade. :-)
If those cards get any smaller I'm gonna loose them on set.
Love all the Red movement forward... and if I don't need it I don't have to buy it.
Agree a TB reader would be money.

Ryan Flesher
Epic-X
 
Jarred Land said:
Disregard those prices... those are for the slow speed mags that were intended to record 1080p proxy files. The new cards are for the big guns.
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So, they'll be more expensive than the actual RedMags ? Will these new minimags be replacing the actual Redmags, or will they be co-existing (like Redmag mini for the high-end and "old" Redmags for standard use) ? Will there be an adapter to use Minimags in the "old" modules/readers ?
Many questions :-)
 
Adapter like a MicroSD into a SD card slot? Brilliant idea but not likely.
 
Nils Ruinet said:
Will these new minimags be replacing the actual Redmags, or will they be co-existing (like Redmag mini for the high-end and "old" Redmags for standard use) ? Will there be an adapter to use Minimags in the "old" modules/readers ?
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A adapter would be nice, but that adds a weak point to the important connection between media and cardslot. Relying on such a adapter on a professional shoot doesn't sound that good to me.

And for replacing the bigMAGs, do you really think RED is the company that stops selling those just to force us into buying new miniMAGs? ;) In long term, sure they'll replace the bigMAGs, i see new EPICs (Dragon especially) being sold with the new module by default, and we probably wont see bigger bigMAGs, but RED won't drop them for a long time.

You'll be able to use the old side- and rear-module with the new Dragon brains and you'll be able to use the new side-module with old MX-brains, and you can always swap those modules within a few minutes. Introducing a new media-format can't get more customer-friendly, real modularity at its best.
 
Yes, I agree, an adapter would probably add a week point, but it would help to keep a backward compatibility.

We don't know everything yet so it's hard to give an opinion, but from what we've heard for now, I like the idea of faster cards, more storage space and cheaper (?) cards.

Smaller cards, on the other hand, doesn't get me that excited : they were already pretty small and lightweight, and that means they probably won't be backwards compatible with the "old" Redmag modules. In my opinion the actual Redmags are the perfect size : pretty small but big enough so you won't loose them too easily.

Anyway, we'll see when they announce all the details...
 
Phil Holland said:
but something somebody somewhere will ask, is that if you upgrade to the new MiniMag Side SSD Module and are a Dragon owner does it also get engraved with "Dragon" to help identify what you're shooting with?
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That and will there be a carbon fiber version? I am excited about the larger media for documentary work.
 
Seems like the best option for using both REDMag sizes could be to get the REDMag Mini Side-SSD module and the REDMag (original) Rear-SSD module.

Speaking of modules, is there any plan to release a Rear REDMag Mini Module?

And while we're at it, what about a dual-slot Rear REDMag Mini Module?

That would be awesome, especially if you could bridge takes seamlessly between cards to keep recording for long takes.
 
Zeke Burgess said:
The lens profiling functionality is still beta - hence being in a beta release. There are some kinks still to be worked out.
For primes, it should scan through the focus a couple times and that's all you should need. For zooms, there is also the option to improve the calibration by running the calibraiton at other zoom distances (menu->settings->maintenance->settings->lens iirc). Also, you can save and import calibrations to/from SSD for safe keeping. There should be a section in the beta's manual about how to use it.
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Zeke,

one thing I would like to see for some older dumb mount nikon, Leica, canon or PL mount glass is a simple manual lens calibration set up that allows a user to set up various lenses and set the selected focal length manually when changing lenses. Very basic, just so when I put on a 18,25,35,50,80,100,135 etc, I can set a focal length when I mount the lens and that data can be written into the metadata of the file.

Id like to see this "manual lens cal" that does not need focus distance information but just inserts the focal length into the mata data, so that anyone could see from the R3D that the lens used was a 50mm, 50mm nikon, contax oe super speed or whatever just xxxxxxxxx number of characters , maybe enough for lens and serial number, I can insert to identify a lens later with metadata.

This is feature would be handy for vfx or in my case for archival reasons.

Thanks,
Battistella
 
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