Don't forget...

[Matt Uhry]

Brook, the above reminds me of conversations I've had with my wife Tina, who is Dutch.

Every now and again I wonder why she just doesn't SPEAK ENGLISH! ...... well her answer is, why haven't YOU learned to speak any DUTCH!

Maybe the more appropriate phrase you might be looking for is "adapt" or "translate"

Vriendelijke groeten,

A better analogy for the mini bnc's and the mini xlr's would probably be Esperanto. Dutch is actually being used somewhere. I'm glad we've seen the last of those suckers. ( the connectors I mean, actually quite fond of most things Dutch. )

Don't be hating on Brook - he's a cool guy, knows more than anyone I've met about the camera, and every object he owns seems to be covered with Red camera stickers.

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry

 

[Jannard]

A better analogy for the mini bnc's and the mini xlr's would probably be Esperanto. Dutch is actually being used somewhere. I'm glad we've seen the last of those suckers. ( the connectors I mean, actually quite fond of most things Dutch. )

Don't be hating on Brook - he's a cool guy, knows more than anyone I've met about the camera, and every object he owns seems to be covered with Red camera stickers.

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry

Matt... we love Brook. We just posted another of his famous "charts". But presentation is everything. Sometimes wording can infer a different meaning than intended. All we want is for Brook to go to Charm School... and when he gets there, I'll have a seat saved for him right next to me.

Jim

 

[Brent J. Craig]

... I look forward to the day when downconversions to SD would be unnecessary on a movie set...

Downconversion should be done at the video assist cart. We already have enough stuff hanging off the cameras and using up power.

We tend to do it that way here in Toronto and it works great - video gets an HD signal to record and play back, they send out SD to whoever needs it and Script gets timecode over the HDSDI.

 

[Stuart English]

Connectors (was language)

Connectors (was language)

A better analogy for the mini bnc's and the mini xlr's would probably be Esperanto. Dutch is actually being used somewhere.

But to put this into perspective - why pick out just those two? :red_bandana:

Compared to "traditional" video cameras, we don't use the same connector for all of the following...

Mic / Line Audio Input
Audio Line Output
Video Genlock
Timecode Input
Timecode Output
Video Output(s)
Remote Control
Viewfinder (LCD and HDMI)
Preston / B4 Lens Interface
GPI/O trigger / tally
(CF card and RED-DRIVE)
D.C Power Input

Compared to "traditional" film cameras, we don't use the same connector for all of the following...

(Mic / Line Audio Input)
(Audio Line Output)
(Video Genlock)
Video Output(s)
(Remote Control)
Viewfinder (LCD and HDMI)
Preston / B4 Lens Interface
GPI/O trigger / tally
(CF card and RED-DRIVE)
D.C Power Input
D.C Power Output

Choosing this mix of connectors is what allows RED ONE to be the camera it is.

 

[Jarred Land]

There are quite a few cool setups you posted in there Kosmos.. nice work.

 

[Brent J. Craig]

I sincerely hope Red will allow third parties to develop modules. I can think of several that would be useful, but that would be more appropriate for other companies to develop. Things like a digital audio interface or wireless transmitter.

On the subject of Preston MDRs, I wonder if they could be made as a Red module, but also have the same external connections as they do now so one could use it on other cameras? Then who would buy a Preston Epic module? Everybody.

 

[Brook Willard]

Matt... we love Brook. We just posted another of his famous "charts". But presentation is everything. Sometimes wording can infer a different meaning than intended. All we want is for Brook to go to Charm School... and when he gets there, I'll have a seat saved for him right next to me.

Jim

My brilliant dry sense of humor and impenetrable wit seem lost in text. See you there... :wink:

Any thoughts on the Cinema Module [and ENG module, Composite Module, etc.] idea?

 

[Pawel Achtel]

Any thoughts on the Cinema Module [and ENG module, Composite Module, etc.] idea?

...and underwater module :bleh:

 

[Pawel Achtel]

Duhh,:wacko: Fisher, sorry I'm typing too fast.

It's Fischer, not Fisher :sarcasm:

 

[Brook Willard]

D'oh! Good call.

 

[Jay A. Kelley]

You know,
Jarred always jokes that he thinks I am a nice guy in person, but kind of a dick on the forums. And when last I checked, I am still the same person, my eyes don't go white and my hands and nuts don't turn green when I type on here (That would hurt I suspect).

But I think there is something about when people type, they do come across different. Jarred is a little rough around the edges on here, but very warm in person. Jim can get down right angry in some posts (I remember the c.com days) but when I met him, it was like I knew him forever. Gibby loves to write about his experience and accomplishments in every post, but when you talk to him in person, all he wants to know about is how you are doing and to share in the joys of your accomplishments.

I cannot say WHY we seem to focus on different aspects of our personality when we type as a primary form of communication, but I do believe the "problem" if you want to call it that is two fold, not only the writer but the reader as well. Without facial experssion, tonality, and body language a lot of "buffers" that normally soften communication between one another is left behind, and the written work can be sharp and cold. Mix that with some pre-existing baggage (I.E. when someone at RED starts to read what they believe is a "bitch session" about this or that camera, it's hard for the emotional shields not to go up) and fireworks will follow.

So is there a solution. I'm not sure. There are a few posters on here who seem to have mastered the concept of non combative communication. David Mullen being one of them, and from what I can tell one of his secrets is that he rarely disagrees with a person directly, instead he simply states his point as dispassionatly as he can, as if he suddenly just decided to talk about this or that point. You know he's answering someone else's post, but he does not come across as attacking or knocking them down.

Perhaps David should hold his own online class "Talking on forums without pissing people off 101"
or
"How to tell someone to go to hell and make them happy to take the trip"

Ok I'm done.

And I'll try to do better Jarred

Jay

 

[Pawel Achtel]

Good observation, Jay. I think we need more smileys to better express the mood of the poster

 

[David Mullen ASC]

So is there a solution. I'm not sure. There are a few posters on here who seem to have mastered the concept of non combative communication. David Mullen being one of them, and from what I can tell one of his secrets is that he rarely disagrees with a person directly, instead he simply states his point as dispassionatly as he can, as if he suddenly just decided to talk about this or that point. You know he's answering someone else's post, but he does not come across as attacking or knocking them down.

That's an ideal situation, but I fail to follow my own advice sometimes... when I respond to cynicism with even greater cynicism, letting someone else set the tone of the conversation and getting suckered into responding in kind. Someone makes a crack comment about me or my work or my industry and I find it hard to not hit back immediately when I'd be better off taking the high road.

I think the trick is to attempt to separate fact from opinion, and then recognize where you are coming from and where the other person is coming from, and how we each carry certain biases and preconceived notions.

I participate partly to be helpful... but also have my mind opened and my preconceptions challenged by conversing with others.

The thing to remember is that this is a community, we should behave like neighbors. Most of the conflict is either generated by too much familiarity, to the point where we forget our table manners, or the opposite, by some stranger who pops in among our midst to reek havoc, only to duck out again when the chairs start flying.

 

[Brook Willard]

But I think there is something about when people type, they do come across different. Jarred is a little rough around the edges on here, but very warm in person. Jim can get down right angry in some posts (I remember the c.com days) but when I met him, it was like I knew him forever. Gibby loves to write about his experience and accomplishments in every post, but when you talk to him in person, all he wants to know about is how you are doing and to share in the joys of your accomplishments.

You nailed it, Jay. I've been working on it as well. I like to think I'm fairly normal in person... but I'm sure I've turned more than a few people at RED against me with the way I type.

I think that a lot of us should work towards it. I'll keep working towards phrasing things in a less insulting or inflammatory way and I hope that those who read my posts will understand that I'm still the same Brook behind the keyboard that they know and sometimes love...

 

[Jarred Land]

good work Jay... New years resolution for all of us

 

[Matt Uhry]

Any thoughts on the Cinema Module [and ENG module, Composite Module, etc.] idea?

I'm conflicted - part of me wants them to make the "Matt Uhry" module which everything would be just as I want it and only I will be happy with, but would probably cost more than I would want to pay.

The other part of me wants Red to design the I-O module into something that everybody will be happy with and due to economy of scale be of reasonable cost to produce, and can be sold at an attractive price point. I'm all for this being as cine friendly as possible because that's the best description of how I use the Red and how I will use the Epic.

I think if they do include sound into the basic mass produced I-O module, they should take care that a 2nd module, made by 3rd parties that could be added that would override the audio portion of the data stream. Some great opportunities exists that would please disparate factions.

A Few ideas that NON RED vendors might be interested in making :

1. Multi Pin: Single Mixer Cable input for Analog 4-channel

2. Digital in -

3. Wireless Receivers / Camera Mic input combo. Powered from camera Cable Free.

4. GPS sourced "perfect" time of day clock - Instant stress free sync amongst multiple cameras and recorders over a large area. Forget Jam Syncing.

5. Massive amounts of Meta Data... for mo-co guys and mega VFX integration

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com

 

[brandon thomas]

Am I the only one that thinks 3rd Party Modules sounds like a bad idea..or at least extremely unlikely?

plus, having all that bandwidth flow through the camera in any config from the brain up front to maybe the Mag all the way at the back.. the throughput is gonna be huge... I'm not sure they're going to want to open that up to just anybody..

 

[Jarred Land]

Am I the only one that thinks 3rd Party Modules sounds like a bad idea..or at least extremely unlikely?

My answer to that a year ago would probably be alot different than it is today..

We have a hard enough time just trying to get a darn Lens Mount through certification I can just imagine what will happen to something as complicated as the modules.

 

[Michael Hastings]

How about onboard GPS data?

How about onboard GPS data?

How about onboard GPS data? Having all of the location data would be great but even if you just grabbed the time data you could easily match recordings from different cameras whether they were 20 feet apart or halfway around the world.

Seems like this would be a pretty cheap addition and if all of the data location data were captured as well I know of some people at NOAA (among a number of others) that would jump all over it.

 

[Jay A. Kelley]

My answer to that a year ago would probably be alot different than it is today..

We have a hard enough time just trying to get a darn Lens Mount through certification I can just imagine what will happen to something as complicated as the modules.

I'm not sure I am in favor of other people making modules for RED either.. As least not until the system is locked and has a year of smooth running under it's belt.

I think RED will come out with it's own various lens mounts for Epic/Scarlet so that will be a non issue.

I dunno.. I have been frustrated with RED's support of third partys in some cases and yet there's no agruement that RED supports third party vendors more than any other camera company. It has been a double edge sword for all involved. I do think it's created more advantages than problems though.

Jay