DJI RONIN Group Buy

[Ned Wilson]

Zeb, this is all good news. Considering you probably have their ear perhaps you could have DJI address the main problem I see with all these gimbals (except Letus) - is that the "normal" height is waist height to ribs at most. Most of the shots cameramen do are around eye level. Looking at Ronin pics, the handles are about five inches above the lens height, meaning maintaining an eye level walk and talk for any length of time will be a real arm burner. \\

Perhaps they could consider a design whereby the top bar arches so the handles are now lens height or lower. An arch would also facilitate the roll axis without the camera hitting the rig. It would cost more than a straight piece of carbon rod, but if it solves the height issue, most cameramen would pay the extra. This height issue is a helicopter legacy that I'm confident a few game changing designs will render obsolete in a year or two (maybe sooner with Letus - except their design makes no accommodations for accessories as far as I can see). I wanted to send this notion to DJI but there seems to be no contact on the website except for sales / marketing.

I know some here say, I can put on a vest with a pole. But now that begins to defeat the mobile charm of these gimbals. The ideal would be my hands/arms in a boxer position with the lens coming close the eye level.

 

[Adam Eden]

zeb have a look at the letus one also as the single gimble for my steadicam looks very promising.

 

[Mark L. Pederson]

You are questioning my credibility in a public forum Mate

Zeb - you know I love you - but your finger is a little to quick to pull the trigger. I did not think Matt was questioning your credibility at all.

 

[Zeb B]

Zeb - you know I love you - but your finger is a little to quick to pull the trigger. I did not think Matt was questioning your credibility at all.

Love back at you my NYC brother but I disagree. Matt strongly implied that I was being hypocritical (not "ironic") by me posting on the Besteady thread over a week ago "hey, maybe someone should perform some due diligence on this company since they took a ton of RU's money and have essentially disappeared since then".

My intent in posting those strong worded messages was to get a direct response from Besteady so I and others could qualify them to make a more informed buying decision. I made mine based on what has transpired since then - others can do what they want with the reaction (or lack of) that I prompted from Besteady.

My request for having an understanding of Professional GB Etiquette whereby sales reps of competitor companies do not take a shit on GB threads has nothing to do with my posting a "buyer beware" notice on another thread before I started this GB. Matt was linking one post intended to protect RU's to another thereby calling into question my credibility for asking for rules of conduct for salesguys like Rory.

If you want the RU dialog to become a food fight rather than a respectful exchange then fine - I can take care of myself with any internet troll. When I stick my neck out for the good of others and someone calls me out by making a FOX News-out-of-context-comparison . . . you bet I'm going to respond.

ps: I know your NYC self well enough that if someone publicly implied you were being hypocritical you would not let that go ;-)

 

[Zeb B]

Zeb, this is all good news. Considering you probably have their ear perhaps you could have DJI address the main problem I see with all these gimbals (except Letus) - is that the "normal" height is waist height to ribs at most. Most of the shots cameramen do are around eye level. Looking at Ronin pics, the handles are about five inches above the lens height, meaning maintaining an eye level walk and talk for any length of time will be a real arm burner. \\

Perhaps they could consider a design whereby the top bar arches so the handles are now lens height or lower. An arch would also facilitate the roll axis without the camera hitting the rig. It would cost more than a straight piece of carbon rod, but if it solves the height issue, most cameramen would pay the extra. This height issue is a helicopter legacy that I'm confident a few game changing designs will render obsolete in a year or two (maybe sooner with Letus - except their design makes no accommodations for accessories as far as I can see). I wanted to send this notion to DJI but there seems to be no contact on the website except for sales / marketing.

I know some here say, I can put on a vest with a pole. But now that begins to defeat the mobile charm of these gimbals. The ideal would be my hands/arms in a boxer position with the lens coming close the eye level.

You can flip the Ronin completely over without balance/recal thereby getting it at eye level or above. You can also hold it sideways putting the cam at ankle level. I'll post a vid this weekend demonstrating this.

 

[Scott Pultz]

How are people focusing while using a gimbal like this?

Are there any demo videos showing video taken from a camera on this gimbal? I've seen videos of the gimbal in action but nothing from the camera actually being stabilized.

 

[Nick Morrison]

Hey team, how heavy is the Ronin rig by itself? I know the Movi is about 3lbs..

 

[Zeb B]

How are people focusing while using a gimbal like this?

Are there any demo videos showing video taken from a camera on this gimbal? I've seen videos of the gimbal in action but nothing from the camera actually being stabilized.

AMP has some that I will ask for

 

[Zeb B]

Hey team, how heavy is the Ronin rig by itself? I know the Movi is about 3lbs..

They wouldn't say since it was a prototype and will be improved. It's heavier than some since it's milled from alloy - not carbon

 

[Nick Morrison]

They wouldn't say since it was a prototype and will be improved. It's heavier than some since it's milled from alloy - not carbon

No way to get a Carbon version right?

 

[Zeb B]

No way to get a Carbon version right?

Not by the looks of it at this time. I discussed this with one of their lead engineers and he was adamant that their use of alloy materials would result in less vibration translated to camera. I've doubled my push-up routine . . . now I'm doing 2 reps of 3

 

[Nick Morrison]

Not by the looks of it at this time. I discussed this with one of their lead engineers and he was adamant that their use of alloy materials would result in less vibration translated to camera. I've doubled my push-up routine . . . now I'm doing 2 reps of 3

Haha. Sounds good. An Easy Rig may come in handy for really long takes, too.

 

[constantine Tirintzis]

Hey Guys check out the new Serene spring arm that together with the easyrig, has the following benefits

1) It absorbs vertical and side to side motion created when walking or running in a very good degree

2) it adds 50-100 mm more height on the current easyrig ability max height.( so you can take your gimbal above eye level in under slung mode)

3) it works with any gimbal and with any total load gimbal + camera.

4) you can adjust the spring tension tool less on the fly

5) it can be hard mounted for various vehicle shots and methods.

6) very low weight aprox, 1.1kg

7) supports loads from 5kg - 22kg

8) Full easy rig cord extension, up and down allowing high to low mode on the fly

here is a Nab video showing the prototype version together with our Gravity One.

shipping beginning of june

http://vimeo.com/91679336

http://www.flowcine.com/

for tech info contact me directy at constantine@flowcine.com

I can provide you with easyrig info choice according to your specific loads gimbal+camera and the correct choice of easyrig arm capacity.

general questions at info@flowcine.com

best regards

 

[Zeb B]

Haha. Sounds good. An Easy Rig may come in handy for really long takes, too.

I'll bet a buck that DJI makes an inexpensive version of this

 

[constantine Tirintzis]

I'll bet a buck that DJI makes an inexpensive version of this

there are many already available, however none is as smooth and comfortable as the easyrig and very cheaply made.

Also have in mind that this is a patented design due to respect of the original inventor Johan Helsten

There is a reason why most rental houses around the world own Easyrigs and not knock offs.

knock offs arent always the way to go in this business.

best regards

 

[Nick Morrison]

PS - interested also. Sign me up.

 

[Mark L. Pederson]

BTW I linger on this review quite a bit. Mark's enthusiasm for the DJI is hard to overlook...

Like I said in a previous post - the Gimbal that impressed me the MOST was the G-RIG VALOS - http://www.g-rig.com/en/ - at more than $6K more over the DJI - given the race to the bottom with gimbals - you need to find the balance between price and performance/features - and after spending a little time with the DJI and talking to those folks there - I'm totally convinced it will be the best sub-$10K Gimbal on the market for Epic for a solid year. They have some pretty significant software resources working on this. For the price - I think it's a no brainer.

 

[Mark L. Pederson]

there are many already available, however none is as smooth and comfortable as the easyrig and very cheaply made.

Also have in mind that this is a patented design due to respect of the original inventor Johan Helsten

There is a reason why most rental houses around the world own Easyrigs and not knock offs.

knock offs arent always the way to go in this business.

best regards

I'm a HUGE EasyRig fan. That said - the G-RIG guys made this really simple, inexpensive "G-Vest" - and it is actually is easier to raise the camera upwards and lift it in a shot than a EasyRig - which is not what he EasyRig is designed to do.

I was impressed enough to order one and I will make a little video next month comparing it to an EasyRig with a fully loaded Epic gimbal. It's obviously "rig agnostic" - so great for MOVI owners, etc. IMO.

http://www.g-rig.com/en/products/6/g-vest

 

[Nick Morrison]

I'm a HUGE EasyRig fan. That said - the G-RIG guys made this really simple, inexpensive "G-Vest" - and it is actually is easier to raise the camera upwards and lift it in a shot than a EasyRig - which is not what he EasyRig is designed to do.

I was impressed enough to order one and I will make a little video next month comparing it to an EasyRig with a fully loaded Epic gimbal. It's obviously "rig agnostic" - so great for MOVI owners, etc. IMO.

http://www.g-rig.com/en/products/6/g-vest

WOW. Cool.

 

[Austin Glass]

Like I said in a previous post - the Gimbal that impressed me the MOST was the G-RIG VALOS - http://www.g-rig.com/en/ - at more than $6K more over the DJI - given the race to the bottom with gimbals - you need to find the balance between price and performance/features - and after spending a little time with the DJI and talking to those folks there - I'm totally convinced it will be the best sub-$10K Gimbal on the market for Epic for a solid year. They have some pretty significant software resources working on this. For the price - I think it's a no brainer.

I'm really surprised to hear you say that Mark… of all the gimbals I tried on the NAB floor, the one I was LEAST impressed with was the G-Rig. And the high price point didn't influence my decision because I never knew it before.