Dino EPIC #00087 & CAMTEC 5K FF LENS CHART

[Roberto Lequeux]

I tried to summarize my impressions on their thread: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=55359&page=3

 

[Deanan]

the format in camera says 5K FF ( what that means exactly, you have to ask RED).

Epic S35's 5K FF is 5120x2700 and is a 1.896:1 aspect ratio.

1.896: is also the ratio for the 4k/2k DCI formats:
4096x2160 = 1.896:1
2048x1080 = 1.896:1

posted it here also: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=727791#post727791

 

[roryhinds]

Its full sensor not full frame?

please correct me if I'm wrong

 

[Roberto Lequeux]

Thanks Deanan. Are you guys considering changing the name to FS for full sensor, or 1.896? Or do you plan on keeping the FF?

 

[dino g]

The Optimo Rouge 16-42 2nd generation does cover 100% of the zoom range, i will change the chart shortly.

dino

p.s. thanks Jean-Marc From Angenieux for clarification!

here is a picture Jean-Marc sent me from NYC with the lens on 007.

 

[Ben Graham]

Does the Arri Master Zoom cover on the wide end?

 

[dino g]

Does the Arri Master Zoom cover on the wide end?

good question, ill be in NYC tuesday ill go by csc and check,

 

[Shane Betts]

Thanks Deanan. Are you guys considering changing the name to FS for full sensor, or 1.896? Or do you plan on keeping the FF?

Surely we could call it open gate? I know it's an electronic crop but the shutter is electronic too. S35 OG.??

 

[Michael Brennan]

25-250 tweake?

25-250 tweake?

Any thoughts on the long zooms being able to be tweaked to work with Epic?

I hope lens manufacturers will respond quickly, adaptors are problematic for the long zooms so an updated lens is preferable

I understand that Arri and Sony (f65 8k camera) are steering clear of sensors that are of a size that won't work with existing 35mm lenses. I wonder if RED had a choice? Larger pixels help with reducing S/N but I wonder if DPs would trade more noise for greater lens choice?

Not a deal breaker but for aerials 24-290 is a key lens.


Mike Brennan

 

[Robert Pitman]

Thanks for all the information Dino. Has anyone checked the Zeiss Compact Prime mark 2 range on the EPIC in 5K FF?

Cheers,
Robert

 

[Jens Jakob Thorsen]

Great with all that info! What about ARRI Zeiss LWZ-1 and 2 (if there is a difference in optics)?

 

[Andrew clemson]

Would also be keen to know about the RPZ 18-85.......?

 

[Adam Eden]

And has anyone tried MKIII superspeeds? I love these lenses and I don't really want to get rid of them. Hopefully they are ok. But has anyone tried the new Zeiss LWZ2? I just bought one of these and its my favourite lens at the moment. Especially at 4.5K 2:1.

 

[Michael Hardwick]

I put up a set of MKIII Superspeeds on a pair of Epic-M cameras we used for some visual effects work for Transformers 3 through Kerner Optical. The shoot ended up using matched 16-42 Optimos on the Kernercam 3D rig... but I couldn't help myself, being a curious AC. I put up the beautiful set of MKIII's that Kerner has and took a look in the prep bay. All looked great, but the 18mm had me wondering a bit - Looking at 5K Full Frame - I thought I saw the slightest bit of vignetting/shading in the corners of the image. It was subtle - perhaps you can see it in the photo. The ultimate test would be a green screen or a neutral gray or something, but there wasn't any of that to be had. I know Dino's chart said the 18mm Superspeed was perfect, but I did see some slight shading, that couldn't be attributed to light falloff on the chart. Might be perfectly acceptable for meat & potatoes work at healthy stops, but wide open on VFX work I dunno.

Anybody have similar experiences? I hope its an isolated case as I absolutely love those lenses.

 

[Andrew clemson]

Sounds like the angle rouge is a good investment these days. How much does the v2 upgrade cost and is it available on lenses bought new? Or do you have to buy and send off?

 

[Adam Eden]

I put up a set of MKIII Superspeeds on a pair of Epic-M cameras we used for some visual effects work for Transformers 3 through Kerner Optical. The shoot ended up using matched 16-42 Optimos on the Kernercam 3D rig... but I couldn't help myself, being a curious AC. I put up the beautiful set of MKIII's that Kerner has and took a look in the prep bay. All looked great, but the 18mm had me wondering a bit - Looking at 5K Full Frame - I thought I saw the slightest bit of vignetting/shading in the corners of the image. It was subtle - perhaps you can see it in the photo. The ultimate test would be a green screen or a neutral gray or something, but there wasn't any of that to be had. I know Dino's chart said the 18mm Superspeed was perfect, but I did see some slight shading, that couldn't be attributed to light falloff on the chart. Might be perfectly acceptable for meat & potatoes work at healthy stops, but wide open on VFX work I dunno.

Anybody have similar experiences? I hope its an isolated case as I absolutely love those lenses.

GREAT NEWS!!!! YOU HAVE MADE MY DAY THAT I DON'T NEED NEW LENSES!!!

 

[Michael Hardwick]

GREAT NEWS!!!! YOU HAVE MADE MY DAY THAT I DON'T NEED NEW LENSES!!!

Not sure I said that... I do have concerns about the 18mm - the 25, 35, 50 and 85 were super clean. Maybe somebody out there with an Epic-M and a 18mm Superspeed MKIII can double check me on this.

Vignetting and slight shading in the corners - (?)

Maybe shoot a gray card and double check on a waveform monitor to be certain.

 

[Art Chong]

Looks like this has been asked a couple of times but don't think I saw a response: Does anyone know the coverages on the Red Pro Zoom 18-85mm? Also, I am very curious about the Red 17-50mm zoom.

 

[Tom Lowe]

I feel like I am seeing a slight vignette on the Ultra Prime 16mm. Is it just my imagination?

 

[Filip Orlandic]

Tom, I just did a quick test for you with my Ultra Prime 16mm. It's not your imagination.

EPIC-M 5K FF
Zeiss Ultra Prime 16mm @ T1.9