Desired Changes with Scarlet..

[Isaac Brody]

Wow, nothing is good enough for people. We asked for 2k, they gave us 3k. All the other camera manufacturers come out with 1/3 chip HD cameras, and we're complaining about a 2/3 chip 3k three thousand dollar camera as not being good enough to shoot films on.

If Scarlet doesn't fit the bill buy or rent a Redone.

 

[Adam Palomer]

Someone posted a link in another thread about the final features we can expect to see on Scarlet. One of these is a flip out LCD. That's even better than I thought when I first saw the prototype today. The fixed lens is not an issue for me. As far as controls, I'd really like to know how that cool joystick is going to work. Does it control all the manual functions? What about audio? Where is that going to fit? I think RED have a great prototype and I can't wait to see the final product and get one come 2009.

I currently use a Sony DCR-PC1000 for vacations and travel. It looks like the scarlet will be my next travel camera. Overkill, you say? Yeah I know. Isn't it cool though?

 

[John Wee]

...and flashes are real problem at 2 in the afternoon

The action sports market dwarfs the indie film market and there will be tens of thousands of teenaged to 30-somethings waiting for this to hit the selves

Do you know what a single track is ?? hint, its not flat land with ample lighting. Good luck shooting snowboarding on CMOS, Good luck putting the cam on a vibrating boat.

Good luck on waiting 1 hour to digest 2 minute of partially exposed RAW footage. Too bad sports event shooting is not under controlled environment like on an indie narrative set. The last thing a CMOS camera is, an event shooting camera.

RED has always been a camera for narrative story telling. Its the core of the company and its product. REd is not made for ENG and certaintly not for Event Shooting (anything with strobes, flashes). Unless that new Mysterium X CMOS sensor is a global shutter sensor (which I hope it is going to be but highly unlikely.

2/3" simply will not give you that film shallow DOF look. If you are looking to get the Scarlet for narrative work, get use to a 35mm adapter. I heard the Letus is the reigning champ in this category and the new letus ultimate is going to cost around $4000 - $4500.

 

[brandon herman]

Two camps. Two cameras. Some of us need to run and gun - some need to paint with light.

-J

i respect that attitude.....that's what the RED ONE is for. It's a steal at $17,500.


Do you think you can't paint with light as well at 2/3"? Well, maybe that's true a little bit. Then the $3000 camera isn't for you. You are free to use the other one.

PS: someone should tell David Fincher that ZODIAC wasn't very good because it was shot with a 2/3 sensor. (However, for a long while many professionals called it the most filmic of the digitally shot features....)

I don't mean to attack you personally; I'm just frustrated with reading the same complaints for the last 14 hours.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Head mounted eye display

Head mounted eye display

One thing that I have desired to add to my cameras designs, is a head mounted display over one eye.

The technology is even out there for retinal scanning.

This would be a high degree 3K screen, if possible.

It would be useful to be able to look around while filming and even handle other things while maintaining shot framing with greater ease. Get good low shots without getting low, and the same for awkward shots. In certain places users could even stick their cameras around a corner while under fire, and film what was happening.

I have other enhancements to such a design too.

Such a thing is desirable in the present price envelope.

 

[Nik Manning]

Scarlet has nothing to do with 35mm... this is a Super16 Killer! Same DOF as Super16, 3k perfect acquisition format for a 2k or HD finish.

The lens may be fixed, but it's a RED lens, and we've seen what they can do with lenses. As long as the focal lengths are right, 8x can be all you need. Consider if it's 9mm-72mm (35mm equiv of 18mm-144mm), that's all you need for wide-angle to ECU as far as narrative filmmaking is concerned. I'm sure there will be wide-angle adaptors and tele adaptors for those that need something extra. This isn't a camcorder where OIS and 30x zoom are standard features.

To me this is the perfect balance between point-and-shoot camcorder and RAW workflow. A great camera for indie filmmakers and film schools, news gathering, run-and-gun, tight spaces, etc. I can't wait!

I feel the exact same way. I also feel if you have spent more that 8k on a camera then scarlet isn't targeting you. This is the prosumer camera killer. There are so many filmmakers that bought a hvx to make a movie now they all will buy a scarlet instead. If you own a Canon A1 up to a Canon XL H1 then you are in the scarlets market. In that market you cannot get a 2/3 inch camera. This camera will have sweet dof compared to those cameras. I understand some folks wanting a removable lens but that seems like a different camera. It seems like the RED ONE. Yes I am sure a 7K removable lens version would also do very well, but this version is for me baby!

 

[Luis de la Cerda]

What bothers me is that scarlet has the potential to be an amazing unique camera, except for the fixed glass thing. All else I can live with. I don't care if DOF is huge, I don't care if she has a rolling shutter. What I think makes scarlet unique is the form factor, but what good is a small camera if I can't decide what my fov should be. It's the same thing with hdv pocket cams. Sure, I can stick an hv10 bewteen a dashboard and the steering wheel in a car, but what good is it if the fov is narrower than a XL-H1 suction mounted to the windshield with a wide lens? Having lens choices won't make scarlet my a-cam. That's a given. But it will allow for creative shots I'd be unable to pull off even with a Red One. I want both and I want scarlet to be the camera it has the potential to be.

Btw... 2/3" is not such a great thing when the sensor has 3K crammed into it and the lens is limited to 2.8 OUCH! You'll need lotsa light.

 

[ArthurG]

One thing is affraiding me. Red One have a sensibility at ISO 200. So the Scarlet should have the same. If you add the 2.8 zoom this camera couldn't run on lowlight at full open. And the lenses performances at full open aren't the best.
Useless to speak about the 35mm adapter light lost.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Hmm. 2.8 is low, but it maybe because of some superior design. I have not followed the one, but did it not get exceptional picture under low light when tests, or something like that? With some of the technologies I know of, the sensor can make up for lack of light, one could even film through very narrow apertures. Still, a replaceable lens would be good.

35mm DOF adaptors, this can be done optically with very little light loss.

Altogether, I suspect it might not be much an issue, except for DOF (where some might prefer 1 to 0.75f).

 

[wardovision]

Do you know what a single track is ?? hint, its not flat land with ample lighting. Good luck shooting snowboarding on CMOS, Good luck putting the cam on a vibrating boat.

Good luck on waiting 1 hour to digest 2 minute of partially exposed RAW footage. Too bad sports event shooting is not under controlled environment like on an indie narrative set. The last thing a CMOS camera is, an event shooting camera.

RED has always been a camera for narrative story telling. Its the core of the company and its product. REd is not made for ENG and certaintly not for Event Shooting (anything with strobes, flashes). Unless that new Mysterium X CMOS sensor is a global shutter sensor (which I hope it is going to be but highly unlikely.

2/3" simply will not give you that film shallow DOF look. If you are looking to get the Scarlet for narrative work, get use to a 35mm adapter. I heard the Letus is the reigning champ in this category and the new letus ultimate is going to cost around $4000 - $4500.

If I can take a HV20 down a trail (yes, single track) or swim in 20ft surf with acceptable results why is Scarlet going to be any different?
where did i say anything about events? contests suck no matter the sport and events are an extremely small part of action sports shooting. narrow depth of field? the 2/3" chip should be better than the HVX and EX-1 when I need it. My sponsors don't send me around the world to exotic locations to blur out the background. Don't need to leave So. Cal for that.

again with the flashes? Not too many of them at Pipeline on a good day.
In fact, much lesser cams are producing excellent images in every 1 of your scenarios and seem to find their way into just about every genre of sports video out there. This is a sport shooter's dream cam.

 

[el_stupido]

I tend to agree with everyone saying they should adopt a Canon XL1 interchangeable/New Sony Interchangeable product model. Seems a waste for the 3K to be stuck with the one lens no matter how good it is.

Word.

El Stupido

 

[QManning]

People stop asking for things you don't need. And trust me you don't need interchangable lenses. The truth if you an indie filmmaker, you can't afford to rent or buy good pro glass.

Your asking the red team to add a feature, that your willing to shell out more money for, which you can't afford to take advantage of, only never to use it. Come on folks Wake UP.

Who says we can't afford it? Who says we can't afford to rent lenses?

Do you know where we get our money? Do you know what projects we do? Do you know how much we get paid for those projects? Do you know how much we make in supplemental income that could assist in renting or purchasing lenses?

No. You don't. I'm astounded at what some of you think constitutes independent filmmaking and what the needs of an indie filmmaker are.

My needs aren't the same as your needs aren't the same as his needs.

This camera is fantastic. But it would be a wet dream unmatched if the lenses could be changed. It's just that simple.

Afterall, the money we'd save by owning the Scarlet and not having to rent a more expensive camera could immediately be translated into renting desired lenses.

I will say that the rolling shutter is a little scary as someone who's used to shooting with the HVX & DVX cameras. That's something I'm on the fence about, and it's silly to poo-poo someone's concerns. They're valid. You can't say it's not an issue, when shoot-outs have shown that there are issues with a rolling shutter.

I'm glad I looked into this thread again, because that wasn't something I initially picked up on when reading the specs.

Has there been any information on a Focus-Assist similar to what the HVX-200 has to help supplement the low-quality of onboard LCDs? I know that focusing on the HVX sans Focus Assist can be a crap-shoot. I can only imagine the difficulty when dealing with 3k.

 

[brandon thomas]

i'm sure the lcd on scarlet will be at least 720p. so... much better than what you're used to with the panasonics..

 

[John Caballero]

Yeah. Why be stuck with a fixed lens that ONLY gives you wide angle, normal, telephoto and zoom capabilities? you can't do much with a lens like that, right? Like no, what you really need is many separate lenses like a wide angle, normal, telephoto, and maybe one with zoom capabilities. It would be imposible to work without interchangeable lenses. It might actually be unethical to do something like that.

 

[Akcelik]

interchangeability... because no RED should be without one!

 

[Bryan Bishop]

John, I'm really liking your style this morning.

 

[QManning]

i'm sure the lcd on scarlet will be at least 720p. so... much better than what you're used to with the panasonics..

720p is still nowhere NEAR 3k.

So, again - is there a plan to put a focusAssist on this thing?

Otherwise, you're relying on Auto-Focus, which is a joke as we all know, or connecting to an external, which complete removes all of the benefit of the camera.

See how EVERY DECISION impacts EVERY OTHER THING? Crazy huh

 

[Ameer Azari]

I tend to agree with everyone saying they should adopt a Canon XL1 interchangeable/New Sony Interchangeable product model. Seems a waste for the 3K to be stuck with the one lens no matter how good it is.

Word.

El Stupido

EXACTLY!!!!!!

 

[ufsix]

Just returned from Las Vegas, first post ever. First time to the NAB, really enjoyed it, seemed to me far more relaxed than the IBC.

A lot can happen in the next 12 months, and that's what I would like to see happen to SCARLET in this time:

1. Focus & Zoom ring, if you already have a protruding lens anyway
2. XLR connections
3. Vastly improved ergonomics

Looking forward to a significant re-design.

 

[diskojerk]

Stanley Kubrik is rolling in his grave.