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Desired Changes with Scarlet..

Tom said:
having a fixed lens and less-than-35mm-sized sensor means the camera is not very different from other prosumer cameras like the ex1. sure the sensor is a little bigger, and it's a little cheaper, but that is not a "game changing" difference. what would make scarlet special, IMHO, is being the ONLY prosumer camera with a full cine-sized sensor.

that's just my opinion.
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It's all about a MUCH larger frame, shot in RAW.

The EX1 is a bulky, expensive, "baked in" image...(with a fixed lens).

And Scarlet records to CF cards.
 
kmikami said:
I would wager that 3k scaled down to 2k is going to look way better than any of the competition's 1080p cameras. The noise should be much lower too.
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Perhaps. In general, yeah, I would agree. But dynamic range and low noise have not been RED's strong suits up until this point. In fact, the EX1 footage I have seen has been remarkably clean and displays impressive dynamic range and low noise. Again, it remains to be seen. No one can say for sure.
 
My point was that even if the noise performance isn't so hot at 3k, a lot of that noise will disappear once you scale the footage down to 1080p. Which is a luxury you don't have with other HD cameras. If you're already shooting at 1080p then the noise you see is the noise you get.
 
In fact, here's a test I would like to do. Find a really noisy 4k Red One image, crop it to 3k resolution, and scale it down to 1080. I haven't found a good image to test it on yet though.
 
I would like the Scarlet to be a pinhole digital cinema camera. That way it won’t have that “awful” fixed lens stigma attached to it. It would also save me money on lenses and lens adapter for that matter too! It would also cost less, maybe like $999.99.
...Ah! and it would weight less too! And fit better in my pocket.....
 
kmikami said:
My point was that even if the noise performance isn't so hot at 3k, a lot of that noise will disappear once you scale the footage down to 1080p. Which is a luxury you don't have with other HD cameras. If you're already shooting at 1080p then the noise you see is the noise you get.
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The Ex-1 has 3 sensors. . . so the single CMOS better be bigger just to stay even. Anyway, we don't know what the true resolution or dynamic range will be, much less how it will compare with the competition future unreleased cameras. But we damn sure know that there will be some serious depth of field. At a 35mm (on S35) angle of view and distance to subject of 2m, we should have about 4.5m in focus. . . and hyperfocal at about 3m! Yeah!! :) Man I love that NBC football look in my favorite movies!
 
antiquaeuropa said:
T But we damn sure know that there will be some serious depth of field. At a 35mm (on S35) angle of view and distance to subject of 2m, we should have about 4.5m in focus. . . and hyperfocal at about 3m! Yeah!! :) Man I love that NBC football look in my favorite movies!
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and what makes you so sure of this. you continue to bash a camera you've yet to see a single image from. Your ASSumutions are almost as baseless as you expectations are high. Seriously, the only thing we knew beforehand was that Scralet isn't going to compete with the ONE in any shape or form yet you feel ripped off that they didn't completely replicate it for 1/10 the price.

BTW-this camera is absolutely perfect for a very large demographic and the only problem RED is going to have with it is keeping up with demand.
 
wardovision said:
and what makes you so sure of this. you continue to bash a camera you've yet to see a single image from. Your ASSumutions are almost as baseless as you expectations are high. Seriously, the only thing we knew beforehand was that Scralet isn't going to compete with the ONE in any shape or form yet you feel ripped off that they didn't completely replicate it for 1/10 the price.

BTW-this camera is absolutely perfect for a very large demographic and the only problem RED is going to have with it is keeping up with demand.
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And what demographic would that be? People shooting skareboarders and wakeboarders at 120fps in the blazing sun? That's not "cinema"... if Scarlet is indeed even supposed to be a cinema camera.

BTW, what's with all the 1-post noobs coming here and dissing members of this forum?
 
wardovision said:
BTW-this camera is absolutely perfect for a very large demographic and the only problem RED is going to have with it is keeping up with demand.
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This camera is not meant to be for the masses. A casual shooter that has a less than most powerful MAC PRO system will have a HORRIBLE and TERRIBLE time working with 3k RAW. Not to mention, a clueless casual shooter will be terrified with the rolling shutter CMOS sensor phenomena.

But in order to avoid using the PITA 35mm adapter a lot of indie narrative filmmakers are willing to shoulder the two above mentioned problems. Too bad Scarlet will have a fixed lens.
 
Well I'm tired of 35mm adapters (Sorry Brian Valente), so I'll probably be happy with a 2/3" 16mm-ish DOF. Yeah I wish it was 35mm sized, but hey, its $3000 and hopefully will perform like a $15K Panasonic HPX-500 (hopefully). I love the size (no Miller Arrow 55 to buy), love the 3K (except I'll need to get another Mac Pro and a RAID to handle the resolution), starting to warm up to the attached lens (hey the HVX has an attached lens and I don't mind that) and I LOVE the modularity of it.

Only questions, will it be standard 19mm rod support? Will it support Red Raid? Will supply get demolished by demand?
 
dxmetal said:
This camera is not meant to be for the masses. A casual shooter that has a less than most powerful MAC PRO system will have a HORRIBLE and TERRIBLE time working with 3k RAW. Not to mention, a clueless casual shooter will be terrified with the rolling shutter CMOS sensor phenomena.

But in order to avoid using the PITA 35mm adapter a lot of indie narrative filmmakers are willing to shoulder the two above mentioned problems. Too bad Scarlet will have a fixed lens.
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who said anything about the masses? how about those who make and distribute action sports videos- surf, skate, snowboard, skiing, BMX, FMX, mountain biking, boating and 100 other sports. That market alone is enough to monopolize Scarlet sales. ( a market that Jim himself has great interest in)

remember Jim said this camera represents a whole new class of cameras
 
Tom said:
And what demographic would that be? People shooting skareboarders and wakeboarders at 120fps in the blazing sun? That's not "cinema"... if Scarlet is indeed even supposed to be a cinema camera.

BTW, what's with all the 1-post noobs coming here and dissing members of this forum?
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I'm not a Red Owner (yet), and I've been a practicing lurker for a while, but I'm sort of bugged by the noobie wave. Seems like over night the board lost it's professionalism. Hopefully after the hype dies down, it'll settle down.
 
wardovision said:
who said anything about the masses? how about those who make and distribute action sports videos- surf, skate, snowboard, skiing, BMX, FMX, mountain biking, boating and 100 other sports. That market alone is enough to monopolize Scarlet sales. ( a market that Jim himself has great interest in)

remember Jim said this camera represents a whole new class of cameras
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yes, this is what scarlet would be good for. these types of action sports and maybe some ENG stuff.
 
dxmetal said:
T Not to mention, a clueless casual shooter will be terrified with the rolling shutter CMOS sensor phenomena.
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you mean the same phenomena also associated with just about every single HD consumer cam currently available? They're going to have issues with that? you sure?
 
rockoblm said:
I'm not a Red Owner (yet), and I've been a practicing lurker for a while, but I'm sort of bugged by the noobie wave. Seems like over night the board lost it's professionalism. Hopefully after the hype dies down, it'll settle down.
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what bugs me is that you have people showing up with 2 or 3 posts and complaining that members who have been here for a long time are "crying" about new features. no, we're just letting or thoughts and 2 cents be known, and we don't need a freekin noobie out of left field coming in dissing and lecturing us.. haha. :bleh:
 
People stop asking for things you don't need. And trust me you don't need interchangable lenses. The truth if you an indie filmmaker, you can't afford to rent or buy good pro glass.

Your asking the red team to add a feature, that your willing to shell out more money for, which you can't afford to take advantage of, only never to use it. Come on folks Wake UP.
 
manymoosh said:
People stop asking for things you don't need. And trust me you don't need interchangable lenses. The truth if you an indie filmmaker, you can't afford to rent or buy good pro glass.

Your asking the red team to add a feature, that your willing to shell out more money for, which you can't afford to take advantage of, only never to use it. Come on folks Wake UP.
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Lol. Cased closed.
 
wardovision said:
you mean the same phenomena also associated with just about every single HD consumer cam currently available? They're going to have issues with that? you sure?
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For the exception of some of the Sonys(EX1, Ex3, V1u) , only 1 chip small handheld amateur cams come in CMOS sensor.

The respectable indie cam like the hpx170, Canon A1, G1, HVX200a, DVX100b, Sony Z1, XL-H1, JVC 200,XL-H1A, HMC 150, HMC 170, XL-H1S are all CCD cameras.

Good luck mounting a CMOS cam on a mountain bike going down a single track and hoping for a non wobbly footage. Good luck having people not take pictures with their camera flashes on the races/events.
 
Two camps. Two cameras. Some of us need to run and gun - some need to paint with light. Just pump out a cine and eng version and many here will gladly pay. And yes please at least stereo if not four-channel audio. Is 24bit 96Khz not in line with a camera of this caliber?

Great potential for POV / In-Car and tight stunt shooting.
Keep it up.
-J
 
dxmetal said:
For the exception of some of the Sonys(EX1, Ex3, V1u) , only 1 chip small handheld amateur cams come in CMOS sensor.

The respectable indie cam like the hpx170, Canon A1, G1, HVX200a, DVX100b, Sony Z1, XL-H1, JVC 200,XL-H1A, HMC 150, HMC 170, XL-H1S are all CCD cameras.

Good luck mounting a CMOS cam on a mountain bike going down a single track and hoping for a non wobbly footage. Good luck having people not take pictures with their camera flashes on the races/events.
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but weren't you talking about casual shooters being afraid of rolling shutter issues?

guess what but most casual shooters aren't shooting with a Z1, HVX, XL-H1 or any other "respectable indie cam".

...and flashes are real problem at 2 in the afternoon

I understand this isn't the perfect indie camera (cough ONE, cough ONE)nor do I believe tit was ever meant to be. That doesn't mean the demand for this camera isn't going to be unprecedented. The action sports market dwarfs the indie film market and there will be tens of thousands of teenaged to 30-somethings waiting for this to hit the selves
 
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