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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Rumor started in LA

My initial response was figuratively speaking to the third person, it was not a direct instruction or sentiment aimed toward digitalfx, the thread starter. If someone posts their information with a clearly laid out path leading to their information source then we would all benefit from their posting. If they cannot do that then why bother to post? That will only serve to create a negative thread.

Cheers,
Mark.
P.S http://205.234.134.160/forum/showthread.php?t=76&page=2 post #15. Maybe people who are ridiculed publicly will also be made to feel uncomfortable!
 
I think some of the confusion is coming from misinformation. We have the good fortune of being very much in the loop, thanks to Jim and his team. But if you're not on these forums you may hear a lot of information 3rd hand and you know what happens when that's the case. I overheard a colleague explaining to a freelancer a few weeks back that the camera was vaporware and I went in and corrected him. But that's how this stuff gets started. The only way I would believe this project is dead is if Jim comes on and says they can't do it, which probably ain't gonna happen. But if it isn't coming from his mouth, or any of the other Red team, then no alarms need to be raised.

Steve
 
Finner said:
I have heard this argument from a few people and I don't really buy it. For some older established DP's the thought of digital scares them but more because the don't know it and really just want to stick to film. For them as digital moves to the forefront they will just phase out and retire. As for a lot of the good established older DP's they can shoot on anything they want. If anyone thinks they will be able to jump ahead of a feature film level DP just because you own a RED and have shot a short you are dead wrong. Any big DP will be able to rent a RED for their movie as soon as it starts to come out. They will also have huge crews and any lighting gear they want. I highly doubt a DP with 25 years or more of experience is scared of this camera.
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You couldn't be more correct. Another point: Hollywood is a dichotomy( and I mean big time Hollywood here), it's both the greatest meritocracy and the biggest old-boy club, rolled into one. The only thing that will get you closer the front of the line than having the right last name (or the right "buddy", or the right agent, or the right "pal" in the union), is the right gross in the box office. And it's difficult to get one without the other. You try to figure that one out. No camera in the realm will get you either, but if I have to pick one, I'd choose the latter. The only shortcut for ousiders --if you're a DP-- is hooking up with a bright young director, or two, and help them along as much as you can, then hope and pray that indeed all good deeds bear fruit.
Therefore, besides being talented and knowledgeable, new P.D. DP's (read, "post-digital") should be very forward looking. And be able to spot talent just as readily as an agent would. My guess is that people are already thinking along those terms. And the long-held system of comming up through the ranks will be attacked, and B.D. DP's will surely be heard to lament about how different, and better was in the old days. They will surely be right about some things , and wrong about others. I'm thinking some knowledge will simply dissappear --and that will be a shame, but then again those might be the very same things that are not needed or relevant anymore.
As the old bard said, "All's well that ends well".
Best regards,
Steven Quinones-Colon
 
After you told him, what did he say? Did he get mad?

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squinonescolon said:
I'm thinking some knowledge will simply dissappear --and that will be a shame, but then again those might be the very same things that are not needed or relevant anymore.
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steven QC.. you said all.. the second part of your statement answers why the first one isn't a shame at all.. and why these non-disguise guys are effective in disguise here.. or maybe in half-disguise.. the other half is transferring to digital.. eheheh..

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OcularLimpidity said:
After you told him, what did he say? Did he get mad?

Like my signature says...
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No he did not get mad. He called me because he knew I ordered one. He shoots national spots. Last December he was shooting a campaign for me, and I showed him the Red site and told him about the camera. He was very interested and even considered placing a pre-order.
 
Jannard said:
Tell your friend he has bad information... and you heard it from me.

Jim
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Uh, who are you and why would we trust that you know? ;)
 
rgdfilmsRED said:
They want to see it fail because they know that once the RED is released, everyone will have the same access - They will no longer be the amongst the privileged that currently shoot on 35 or other high end HD systems... They will be assimilated with folks like us

Viva La Revolution !
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if even the respected david mullen is saying: "my biggest bit of skepticism regarding the RED camera is still the price point".. logical point.. he gave more than $100,000 for the f900.. eheheh..
 
zakaree said:
because the high end DP's will be threatened as far as jobs go..
Now young talent with access to a high quality camera will be able to show up and produce some amazing images.. im not saying any shmoe with 17,5 will be able to make the next big film.. but it opens up the game for talented people to come in and blow the old foggies out of the water.. or at least push them to the side a lil
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Hi,

I don't think any high end DP's feel in any way threatened by a camera, why should they as they know how to light.

Stephen
 
Stephen Williams said:
I don't think any high end DP's feel in any way threatened by a camera, why should they as they know how to light.
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Most likely they'll go "ooh, a new camera", play around with it for a bit, learn how to use it ten times better than the "young talent" and then carry on taking all the big jobs and earning all the big cash.
 
Stephen Webb said:
Most likely they'll go "ooh, a new camera", play around with it for a bit, learn how to use it ten times better than the "young talent" and then carry on taking all the big jobs and earning all the big cash.
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my point was there are some young talent who are better than the old vets... they have just never had a chance to show themselves.. and with the advent of some inexpensive gear they have a chance to finally make something of value
 
@Zakaree - A high-end camera doth not a good DP make. Bad directors are ignorant of this distinction and treat DPs like a low-cost rental house. Beware these men. A good director will still demand evidence of a good eye, an ability to frame, carefully designed lighting (this is huge) and these days, a thorough knowledge of post-production and its needs. If you already have these things, spend your 17.5k on a huge-ass party and convince famous directors to come, then pay them 1k apiece to look at your reel. Audacious bastards do well in HW if they have talent. At least for a while.

@Others - I have also heard nonsensical RED rumors on shoots. A so-called good friend of Ted Schilowitz claimed he had it on the highest authority that RED would be delayed until mid-2008. I just smiled and nodded.
 
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