Desired Changes with Scarlet..

[Gene Crucean]

As long as the focal lengths are right, 8x can be all you need. Consider if it's 9mm-72mm (35mm equiv of 18mm-144mm)

Not even close to cutting the mustard in my book. Would be nice to have as an option if it was fully auto though.

 

[Johnbutler]

If it raises the price, please, no interchangeable lenses. It is now at the top of what I can afford. Creativity is not having the money to pay for a camera, but it is not uncreative to desire a quality medium for your work. However, if it's no extra trouble or even lowers the price, then by all means, go ahead. (But otherwise NO NO NO!) I like it the way it is and interchangeable lenses would make it harder to use automatically, and you need auto features (focus, primarily) for hand held, run and gun stuff. I say keep it the way it is. It's perfect for staying low priced and I don't want the price being raised.

 

[paulgandersman]

First point, interchangeable lens won't change the DOF. The size of the chip will not be bigger with nikon lenses. And if you want to put an adapter on the scarlet to use your Nikons it will be a smaller DOF but you will lose the interest of the 3K and the 2/3 sensor.
Scarlet should have interchangeable lenses I think because the 2.8 stop of its zoom is too big. When I need to put a 1.4 lens I think I should be abble to on a professional camera.

For the computer you should certainly have solutions for 4000$. But if you plan to buy FCS 2, add 1300€ (2000$?).

NO . WRONG . an interchangeable lens WILL adjust your DOF. Some lenses give you more shallow DOF than others. Thats how lenses work... The longer the lens.... well you know. or at least you should know. The chip and sensor does not govern how shallow the DOF is of an image. The type of lens and how you are using is does that. Interchangeable lenses are the end all be all answer to a completely controllable and customizable image.

 

[paulgandersman]

If it raises the price, please, no interchangeable lenses. It is now at the top of what I can afford. Creativity is not having the money to pay for a camera, but it is not uncreative to desire a quality medium for your work. However, if it's no extra trouble or even lowers the price, then by all means, go ahead. (But otherwise NO NO NO!) I like it the way it is and interchangeable lenses would make it harder to use automatically, and you need auto features (focus, primarily) for hand held, run and gun stuff. I say keep it the way it is. It's perfect for staying low priced and I don't want the price being raised.

I disagree. You do not have to have automatic focus for a handheld shot. All you need is a decent camera op who knows his lenses. In fact, this camera can come with a default lens that HAS auto controls that can be removed for another lens easily. But saying that you have to have auto controls for all handheld is not true. I just shot a documentary that was nothing but handheld with a dvx and a spider brace and never once used auto-focus. Just practice and get to know your lens and distance from subject. You'll be surprised how quickly moving that focus ring becomes a natural, 2nd nature type of thing. And you get a much better result than auto-focus can ever provide.

 

[oldphart]

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The lens may be fixed, but it's a RED lens, and we've seen what they can do with lenses.
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It is a damn ZOOM lens! Nobody ever made a prime-quality zoom lens, and nobody ever will. Zoom lenses are for situations where convenience is more important than quality.

The resolution of this camera is like running 25ASA B&W film in a S-16 camera, there is no reason to waste that on a mediocre lens.

 

[Johnbutler]

I know it's not hard to manual focus, but the main reason I think fixed lens would be okay would be to keep the price down, which is important. Unless it doesn't raise the price, but still it's nice not to have to pay for extra lenses too.

 

[paulgandersman]

i just don't understand how installing a little nikon mount ring is going to raise the price so much? its just some little grooved metal. the only reason for it not to be here is to create a larger gap between the Scarlet and the One, for marketing purposes.

 

[Choptop]

hey Q!

also.. after looking further... does it say anywhere that it is indeed a fixed lens.....?

ding ding ding

 

[Gabriel Winebrenner]

No Fixed Lens!

No Fixed Lens!

I am so happy with what Jim is doing to the film industry in general. That being said, I feel it would be a huge mistake to attach a fixed lens to the Scarlet. With the 5k Elite, and the already Red One, a 3k Scarlet with inter-changeable lenses still does not compete with either of the two higher end models. What it does, is give film students and starving artists like myself a chance to make real films with real tools, something to which the Japanese markets have been limiting us for decades. I would gladly pay $5,000 to $8,000 for a cine-lens with the scarlet being priced from $3,000 to $4,000. Compared to the Red One which I've heard costs about $35,000 to get up and running, this is a huge savings and is affordable. If any of you guys insist on having a fixed lens, I'd insist you buy an hvx-200 when the price goes down a thousand dollars. If however, you feel it important to have dof and be able to compete with the big boys in hollywood with something that actually compares to the images produced from film stock, I insist that you rally for inter-changeable lenses. I am confident that Jim will change this. I'm opening up a savings account now. Jim is a great man who does not limit himself or us and will answer our calls... Or at least I hope so.

 

[Tom Lowe]

1. 35mm-size sensor

2. Regular lens mount for cinema and still lenses.

 

[dieseljunkie]

Lens mount and interchangeable lenses. That's all.

 

[ArthurG]

NO . WRONG . an interchangeable lens WILL adjust your DOF. Some lenses give you more shallow DOF than others. Thats how lenses work... The longer the lens.... well you know. or at least you should know. The chip and sensor does not govern how shallow the DOF is of an image. The type of lens and how you are using is does that. Interchangeable lenses are the end all be all answer to a completely controllable and customizable image.

thanks for the lesson. Now some optics :

H=F²/(e x f)
PPN= (d x H) / (H + d)
DPN = (d x H)/(H - d)
DOF = DPN – PPN

So the DOF varies when F or f varies. So if you put a 200mm at 1.4 you will have a very short DOF. I never said the contrary. But you will always be limited to the size of the sensor (e).

 

[Chosei Funahara]

Even with a nikon or PL mount the apparent DOF is going to be about twice what you'd have on the RED one since it's a 2/3 sensor. To get 35mm dof we'd still have to use a 35mm DOF adapter like the Letus or Brevis. But yeah, having the option to use whatever glass we like would be nice.

I agree with him, but I don't want B4 mount lenses, neither P/S adapter or C-mount lenses.

 

[Tinkleton]

you guys need to get a grip.

a new 2/3" sensor
1-120 fps
100 mb/sec raw to cf
3k

and it's a dissapointment because it has a fixed zoom lens?
lol. get the #"%€ outta here..

 

[Mike Bozulich]

1. Interchangable lens!

2. full size sensor!!

3. 8 XLR ports!!!

4. $3000 is too much, how about $999?!!!!!!

Sheesh!

This camera is not meant to be a Red One competitor. Compare it to the EX-1, HMC-150, or the like. It blows them away! Especially for the price. C'mon people, if you want a full size sensor and interchangable lenses go for the Red One. That's what it's there for.

I'm personally thrilled with the design specs of Scarlet and plan to get one as soon as possible. I know at least 2 other people where I work who took one look at the specs and price and said "when can I order one?" Scarlet is a gift at the this price.

 

[Chosei Funahara]

I mean that Fixed lens is fine with me.

 

[Tom Lowe]

having a fixed lens and less-than-35mm-sized sensor means the camera is not very different from other prosumer cameras like the ex1. sure the sensor is a little bigger, and it's a little cheaper, but that is not a "game changing" difference. what would make scarlet special, IMHO, is being the ONLY prosumer camera with a full cine-sized sensor.

that's just my opinion.

 

[Mike Smith]

having a fixed lens and less-than-35mm-sized sensor means the camera is not very different from other prosumer cameras like the ex1. sure the sensor is a little bigger, and it's a little cheaper, but that is not a "game changing" difference. what would make scarlet special, IMHO, is being the ONLY prosumer camera with a full cine-sized sensor.

that's just my opinion.

With all due respect Tom, it couldn't be pocket sized with a 35mm sensor. And it would need a 35mm sized lens to go with it making it even more bulky. You'd be talking close to the scale of Red One. I am amazed that Red got a 2/3" sensor in that little package.

 

[proaudio4]

Very true. Although the Scarlet supports 3K image, the 2/3" sensor with a lens that only open up to f2.8 is not going to offer the tighter DOF many are looking to achieve.

You will still be hanging 35mm adapters off of the scarlet.
With no audio and additional requirements, it's going to negate it's portability.

Having said that, I'm sure it will produre nice looking footage!
For obvious reasons, I really did not think RED would offer this with a removeable lens. I was just hoping if the Scarlet had a fixed lens it would of been faster than f2.8, especially now that we know it's a 2/3" sensor.

We have not seen any image off of this camera. I can only imagine it will be nice, especially since RED has had time to work things out over the last year or more.

But for the price.. Wow, it sounds great. I wonder what's the real bottom line in $$ to have minimum setup?

 

[Steven Kilzer]

While I understand the advantages of the Scarlet, 720p on my HVX and Letus Extreme is sharp enough that I've never had a client complain about it. Actually, they usually compliment me on how sharp the footage is.

3k looks great in the eyes of professionals but like others have said, the more breakthrough feature here would be interchangeable lenses. I know a few other 35mm adapter HVX users that were all hoping this camera would allow us to ditch our old set ups and move on to something more practical but until they put a lens mount on it, most of us won't bother.