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Desired Changes with Scarlet..

darkkelt said:
its going to be $3k
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Then it will make RED another purveyor of mediocre mass-market cameras like the HDR-FX1. Nobody makes a half-decent zoom lens for $3k, not to mention a metal-body camera to go with it.

I really hoped for something like $7k without a lens.
 
I'm another one for selling it with the lens, but being able to unbolt that and fix a Birger mount.....
I'm not so worried about the 8x fixed being too short.... more about it not being wide enough.....
 
Scarlet will never be a mass market camera. Who can spend 8000$ on a MacPro for editing Red footage ? For this price people can buy a Ex1 more comfortable and reassuring...
 
oldphart said:
Then it will make RED another purveyor of mediocre mass-market cameras like the HDR-FX1. Nobody makes a half-decent zoom lens for $3k, not to mention a metal-body camera to go with it.
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Not necessarily -- it depends on how willing they are to squeeze their profit margins. By the look of it, Scarlet will require a lot of accessories, accessories that most of the customers for that camera won't already have, and I'm willing to bet have a pretty juicy mark-up on them.

If Scarlet is a "trojan horse" of sorts, to help proliferation of Redcode as a standard, I could see it being a totally viable part of their business model to sell Scarlet as a loss-leader, making up the profit on the accessory sales, and betting the success of Scarlet eventually translating into Epic, One, and RedRay sales.
 
ArthurG said:
Scarlet will never be a mass market camera. Who can spend 8000$ on a MacPro for editing Red footage ? For this price people can buy a Ex1 more comfortable and reassuring...
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Hi, I've got a budget of $15,000 so I'm pledging $5000 to Scarlet and the other $10,000 to a Mac Pro

Also, will the lens provide good Depth of Field, Because I don't want a crappy normal mid range lens, I'd rather have interchangeables to be fair..

is it 35mm?

Secondly, will Scarlet not do sound? because if that's the case that's bummer, although, I guess if you really wanted sound it could be done on a seperate deck.

BUT TO BE FAIR TO RED

3K for under $3000 is a great deal...I mean, it really is awesome. Definitely reserving it as soon as I can.

Worse comes to worse there's always the Letus35 Extreme adapter?

Overall, impressed, but what's with the design, sorry, but it's a bit lame...I mean, the RED ONE looks awesome, But the EPIC and the SCARLET are a bit like cardboard boxes with black paint...
 
Arthur, you sound like you're buying memory from Apple. If you take the base system at $2,800 and add about $300 worth of third party memory, it will fly. 1TB drives are about $400 each. My initial editing system might be the base machine + 1TB and 4GB RAM, which I think would go for about $3,600. Not so bad - almost the same price as the camera itself.

Anyway, I think there are enough RED enthusiasts on this forum to make RED Scarlet a hit. They will fan out into the world and people will ask about their cameras, and word will spread.

I doubt that RED can bankrupt Sony but they sure as heck can compete.

I guarantee you that.

D
 
dhazelrig said:
Nikon mount...please!!!

No fixed lenses. I need options and flexibility. Selling it without a lens keeps it at a reasonable price point.
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Hi,

A Nikon mount on a 2/3 inch sensor is a total waste of time, Nikon lenses are not wide enough, you would need about a 5 or 6mm wide angle lens.

Stephen
 
David Dennis said:
Arthur, you sound like you're buying memory from Apple. If you take the base system at $2,800 and add about $300 worth of third party memory, it will fly. 1TB drives are about $400 each. My initial editing system might be the base machine + 1TB and 4GB RAM, which I think would go for about $3,600. Not so bad - almost the same price as the camera itself.
D
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Hi, I agree with the third party RAM, but I hear you need at least 16GB worth of RAM to Edit Redcode, also, you haven't factored in displays which are about $1000 each from dell

so you are in fact looking at about an $8000 MAC PRO all things added up, then again, $4000 (Scarlet + Accessories) ain't a bad deal

I hope it comes with a lens but has the option of interchangeable lenses
and also PLEASE THROW IN AUDIO!!!!
 
ArthurG said:
Scarlet will never be a mass market camera. Who can spend 8000$ on a MacPro for editing Red footage ? For this price people can buy a Ex1 more comfortable and reassuring...
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Remember that a dollar is not worth much any more.
Still, you can get a more powerful non-Apple BSD (or Linux, or even Windows if you prefer) system for half that price. By next year, the used MacPro will go for 3k on eBay.

I am more worried about the cost of the software - my old Avid HD pro does not seem to be meant for 3k editing. Might have to write something myself. :nerd: That would guarantee some delays for sure...
 
Not to mention a 35mm adapter makers have to make sure that their ground glass can spin/vibrate to get rid of the grain at 3k resolution. This will of course open up to RIDICULOUSLY expensive adapter price. For example, Letus is currently testing out their Letus Ultimate 35mm adapter (priced at ~ $4000 dollars) and also they are developing a 2/3" Letus b4 relay mount targeted to sell at $4500.

$4000 for a rotating/spinning/vibrating/pulsating/throbbing small glass on a little motor is tyranny.

If Red still decide to go with fixed lens on the Scarlet, be prepare to shell out lots of money for a 35mm adapter to go with it.
 
dxmetal said:
no good narrative can be done without a shallow DOF and hooking up a third party 35mm adapter is a PITA.

I would pay up to $ 10k for a body only, 35mm sensor shooting 2k or even 1k with interchangeable lens mount and TC IN/OUT with min 2 CF card Modules.
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Why not buy a Red One then. What you are asking for is Red one for about half the price
 
Interchangeable lens.
XLR inputs.

And if it's not doable - can someone explain why? Is putting a Nikon mount onto a camera *that* expensive?

It can ship with the same lens they'd planned, but if it could be taken off and have another Nikon lens put on, then we're finally cooking. Any comments of 'well, if you want that, get the RedOne!' and so forth are ludicrious.

The Scarlet is attractive because of the resolution/price ratio. It's the HVX killer for sure. My production company was gearing up to purchase an HVX, but with this announcement, we're going with the Red Scarlet instead. So it's wonderful.

If I had to choose between interchangeable lenses and the XLR, I'd definitely choose the ability to swap lenses. I think you've already seen from this thread, this is the number one thing the customer wants. Since this camera's not even in manufacture yet, I hope Jim and the team listen to us.

We want this. And we'll pay extra for it if necessary. A stock lens just doesn't cut it - not in the way it handles depth of field, light, the circle of confusion, or even color. it's good to have for quick projects, but as most HD camera users will tell you, the use of something like the M2 or Brevis has taken hold for most cameras.

I'd hate to see the same thing happen to the Scarlet when it's not necessary. Why give money to another company? Why not just get a little extra from us, and make us all even happier?
 
First point, interchangeable lens won't change the DOF. The size of the chip will not be bigger with nikon lenses. And if you want to put an adapter on the scarlet to use your Nikons it will be a smaller DOF but you will lose the interest of the 3K and the 2/3 sensor.
Scarlet should have interchangeable lenses I think because the 2.8 stop of its zoom is too big. When I need to put a 1.4 lens I think I should be abble to on a professional camera.

For the computer you should certainly have solutions for 4000$. But if you plan to buy FCS 2, add 1300€ (2000$?).
 
Because I ( as narrative indie filmmaker) was promised a revolution. I believed and joined the revolution and now we (narrative indie filmmaker) are being short changed. I am not asking for a RED ONE, heck, they can even give us dvcpro hd codec for all i care. Or a real revolution would be, partnership with Apple and being able to shoot the Scarlet in pro res 4:2:2.

I dont care much about audio, since we use a double system in all of our narrative shoots.


aidenvfx said:
Why not buy a Red One then. What you are asking for is Red one for about half the price
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dxmetal said:
no good narrative can be done without a shallow DOF and hooking up a third party 35mm adapter is a PITA.
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Narrative and DOF has nothing to do with each other.

it might look nice to play with shallow DOF and enhance your drama but real key for a "good narrative" is somewhere else.

I'll get scarlet only for the size and manual control. 3k and all the other goodies are just olive in my martini. small size changes the way I operate the camera - more crazy angles, more speed.
 
QManning said:
Interchangeable lens.
XLR inputs.

And if it's not doable - can someone explain why? Is putting a Nikon mount onto a camera *that* expensive?

It can ship with the same lens they'd planned, but if it could be taken off and have another Nikon lens put on, then we're finally cooking. Any comments of 'well, if you want that, get the RedOne!' and so forth are ludicrious.

The Scarlet is attractive because of the resolution/price ratio. It's the HVX killer for sure. My production company was gearing up to purchase an HVX, but with this announcement, we're going with the Red Scarlet instead. So it's wonderful.

If I had to choose between interchangeable lenses and the XLR, I'd definitely choose the ability to swap lenses. I think you've already seen from this thread, this is the number one thing the customer wants. Since this camera's not even in manufacture yet, I hope Jim and the team listen to us.

We want this. And we'll pay extra for it if necessary. A stock lens just doesn't cut it - not in the way it handles depth of field, light, the circle of confusion, or even color. it's good to have for quick projects, but as most HD camera users will tell you, the use of something like the M2 or Brevis has taken hold for most cameras.

I'd hate to see the same thing happen to the Scarlet when it's not necessary. Why give money to another company? Why not just get a little extra from us, and make us all even happier?
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hey Q!

also.. after looking further... does it say anywhere that it is indeed a fixed lens.....?
 
dxmetal said:
no good narrative can be done without a shallow DOF and hooking up a third party 35mm adapter is a PITA.
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Really? Seems to me I've seen a lot of good narratives with rather generous DOF. They obviously spent some effort getting the angles and background right, though.

I would pay up to $ 10k for a body only, 35mm sensor shooting 2k or even 1k with interchangeable lens mount and TC IN/OUT with min 2 CF card Modules.
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So would I. I would even pay close to that for a S-16 sized 2k sensor in a RED-quality body with a nice changeable mount, but that is because a dollar is not what it used to be.
 
Scarlet has nothing to do with 35mm... this is a Super16 Killer! Same DOF as Super16, 3k perfect acquisition format for a 2k or HD finish.

The lens may be fixed, but it's a RED lens, and we've seen what they can do with lenses. As long as the focal lengths are right, 8x can be all you need. Consider if it's 9mm-72mm (35mm equiv of 18mm-144mm), that's all you need for wide-angle to ECU as far as narrative filmmaking is concerned. I'm sure there will be wide-angle adaptors and tele adaptors for those that need something extra. This isn't a camcorder where OIS and 30x zoom are standard features.

To me this is the perfect balance between point-and-shoot camcorder and RAW workflow. A great camera for indie filmmakers and film schools, news gathering, run-and-gun, tight spaces, etc. I can't wait!
 
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