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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Customizing your camera with build 3.2.x

Tyler Stromberg said:
Understood. I'm more interested in building tools to generate the files though, so I'd like to get some basic info about how they're structured.
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The preset files look like compiled executable object code. I don't think you can see the structure.

Trent,

Would it be OK to attach copies of preset files to a post?

Would it be possible to establish a library of presets contributed by users? Would the files need to be certified by RED as virus and bug free?

Curtis
 
Michael Moreno said:
Thanks Curtis Stanton
and Trent Lillehaugen
This really worked for me to switch between Stills and Motion mode
This just make's Scarlet-X feel so much more functional and more and more of an awesome camera/tool
I felt like I was holding a new camera just as I completed these new functions ; )
Honestly
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I'm glad it worked. I was wondering if I had been able to describe the steps in a way that would be clear to someone who hadn't gone through the process.

Curtis
 
Curtis Stanton said:
Trent,

Would it be OK to attach copies of preset files to a post?

Would it be possible to establish a library of presets contributed by users? Would the files need to be certified by RED as virus and bug free?

Curtis
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I think it would be a good idea to attach copies of the created presets. Unfortunately, since we don't have a preset edit function yet people will be stuck with exactly what the author creates. With the posted solutions others can follow step by step and customize as they go along (and learn how to create their own).

Presets cannot contain viruses or bugs - it is simply a set of camera parameters and their respective values.
 
Not sure if a REDuser library of preset files would be useful, but I attached compressed preset files for the still and motion presets.
 

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Trent Lillehaugen said:
We'll look into a good solution for this. Either allowing you to adjust the rocker repeat rate or allowing more control over the step size of the focus near/far actions.
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First, Trent these preset and key mapping features are beyond terrific. I don't know what the camera was like before them, because I only really started to dig in to LEARN the camera last weekend when I had already loaded beta 3.2.8, but I already can't imagine doing without this level of customizable control. Kudos to everyone involved in working on these features, and please keep going!

I am especially interested in refinement of the focus features as mapped to, say, the rocker switch on the side handle (or REDmote, though I've not yet even tried that). I don't know what the limitations are in terms of particular lenses, but with the Canonf/2.8 24-70L that I used last weekend, I found the steps just a bit too coarse for optimal results. I think you'd want to be able to use both the technique of repeated single button pushes with small incremental changes and held down button for ramped or accelerated changes like on a broadcast lens servo. Don't know if the rocker switch is pressure sensitive at all, but a smaller step size of focus change along with some way to on the fly adjust the rate of change would make this an absolutely BRILLIANT way to control focus. Are you guys looking at those kinds of improvements at the moment?
 
Curtis Stanton said:
Not sure if a REDuser library of preset files would be useful, but I attached compressed preset files for the still and motion presets.
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Curtis , You Rock Sir :-)
Just applied your presets, just what I wanted my S/M switch to do, but you did all the work, Thanks!
I noticed it takes about 5 seconds for the preset to switch, so if anybody else notices that too, just wait a few seconds for the changes to take.
 
Elizabeth Lowrey said:
First, Trent these preset and key mapping features are beyond terrific. I don't know what the camera was like before them, because I only really started to dig in to LEARN the camera last weekend when I had already loaded beta 3.2.8, but I already can't imagine doing without this level of customizable control. Kudos to everyone involved in working on these features, and please keep going!

I am especially interested in refinement of the focus features as mapped to, say, the rocker switch on the side handle (or REDmote, though I've not yet even tried that). I don't know what the limitations are in terms of particular lenses, but with the Canonf/2.8 24-70L that I used last weekend, I found the steps just a bit too coarse for optimal results. I think you'd want to be able to use both the technique of repeated single button pushes with small incremental changes and held down button for ramped or accelerated changes like on a broadcast lens servo. Don't know if the rocker switch is pressure sensitive at all, but a smaller step size of focus change along with some way to on the fly adjust the rate of change would make this an absolutely BRILLIANT way to control focus. Are you guys looking at those kinds of improvements at the moment?
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We are always looking at ways to improve the camera firmware and there is certainly room for improvement for lens control using the rocker switch. User feedback like yours is greatly appreciated and I believe we have a track record of incorporating user feedback into future builds.
 
Trent Lillehaugen said:
We are always looking at ways to improve the camera firmware and there is certainly room for improvement for lens control using the rocker switch. User feedback like yours is greatly appreciated and I believe we have a track record of incorporating user feedback into future builds.
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I'd just like to add that, personally, I'd be willing to give up another key to adjust the size of the focus steps if the rocker switch cannot be programmed to vary the size of the focus steps as well as make near/far focus adjustments. I'd even sacrifice iris control with the front rotary dial to be able to fine tune the focus steps. If it was the only possible solution, adjusting focus with the rocker and focus steps with the rotary would be fine. And it wouldn't be much of a sacrifice: f-stop and shutter speed can easily be controlled with two top buttons on the side handle.To be able to accurately adjust focus with the side handle would be a fantastic boon for any lens, but I have a Tamron 24-70 that can't be adjusted manually when in auto-focus mode. This would be an excellent solution.

Curtis
 
Curtis Stanton said:
Not sure if a REDuser library of preset files would be useful, but I attached compressed preset files for the still and motion presets.
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Thanks for this, Curtis!

For anyone interested, they appear to be SQLite databases. Trent - any chance we can get some documentation on the possible values? I'd really like to whip up a site to generate these.
 
Curtis Stanton said:
I'd just like to add that, personally, I'd be willing to give up another key to adjust the size of the focus steps if the rocker switch cannot be programmed to vary the size of the focus steps as well as make near/far focus adjustments. I'd even sacrifice iris control with the front rotary dial to be able to fine tune the focus steps. If it was the only possible solution, adjusting focus with the rocker and focus steps with the rotary would be fine. And it wouldn't be much of a sacrifice: f-stop and shutter speed can easily be controlled with two top buttons on the side handle.To be able to accurately adjust focus with the side handle would be a fantastic boon for any lens, but I have a Tamron 24-70 that can't be adjusted manually when in auto-focus mode. This would be an excellent solution.

Curtis
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Curtis, looks like you and I chose some of the same key mappings. I also programmed the front rotary dial to control iris, but I would also give that up to have "focus change increment size" mappable to that dial. I would probably then do with iris something that I've already done with auto focus mode, which is program one of the main user buttons on the side handle to bring up the dialog and clear it with release of the button, which allows not only a quick check of the mode you're currently in but, as long as you hold that button down, you can quickly use the navigation scroll wheel to dial in your mode of choice. When you release the button, the menu is cleared, so you don't have to take the time to do that via the menu button or touchscreen. Ergonomically, it seems to be pretty easy to do with the right hand while the camera is on a tripod and should be quite doable handheld as well with any rig that gives you solid left hand support. You could do the same with iris: hold the programmed button down, scroll to the desired f stop, release button, which clears menu from screen.
 
Elizabeth Lowrey said:
Curtis, looks like you and I chose some of the same key mappings. I also programmed the front rotary dial to control iris, but I would also give that up to have "focus change increment size" mappable to that dial. I would probably then do with iris something that I've already done with auto focus mode, which is program one of the main user buttons on the side handle to bring up the dialog and clear it with release of the button, which allows not only a quick check of the mode you're currently in but, as long as you hold that button down, you can quickly use the navigation scroll wheel to dial in your mode of choice. When you release the button, the menu is cleared, so you don't have to take the time to do that via the menu button or touchscreen. Ergonomically, it seems to be pretty easy to do with the right hand while the camera is on a tripod and should be quite doable handheld as well with any rig that gives you solid left hand support. You could do the same with iris: hold the programmed button down, scroll to the desired f stop, release button, which clears menu from screen.
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I like that idea. We also have the option of leaving iris control on the front rotary and using a preset to create a modifier key for the rocker (or the rotary dial for that matter.)

Rocker default action..........= near/far focus
Press key X, rocker action....= increase/decrease focus step size
Release key X, rocker action = restore default near/far focus

And there are probably a lot more options; users would have to play with them to discover the most ergonomic. I think we're ready. Bring on focus fine tuning.
 
Ok, still can't seem to figure the Presets out, I get everything programmed and then apply the preset to user button 1 on the side SSD module and when pressed it shows the preset text on screen for a sec. but no changes happen.

I am trying to set User button 1 on the Side SSD Module to change from 30 fps to 96 fps and have the settings set to relative for the Shutter speed change to 192 but it's not working. Can anyone help me?

Maybe also map the preset to the UP arrow on the LCD touchscreen this would also work as I have a control shaft on my housing for that currently.

Thanks for any help with this, greatly appreciated. The new Presets and being able to assign these to the buttons is quite amazing. Just have to figure it out.

I have a side handle but can't use side handle in the housing UW, I can only use the buttons on Side SSD and on the LCD touchscreen for control. I have down arrow assigned to calculate white balance when pressed.

Best,
Frazier Nivens, Ocean Imaging
 
Frazier Nivens said:
Ok, still can't seem to figure the Presets out, I get everything programmed and then apply the preset to user button 1 on the side SSD module and when pressed it shows the preset text on screen for a sec. but no changes happen.

I am trying to set User button 1 on the Side SSD Module to change from 30 fps to 96 fps and have the settings set to relative for the Shutter speed change to 192 but it's not working. Can anyone help me?

Maybe also map the preset to the UP arrow on the LCD touchscreen this would also work as I have a control shaft on my housing for that currently.

Thanks for any help with this, greatly appreciated. The new Presets and being able to assign these to the buttons is quite amazing. Just have to figure it out.

I have a side handle but can't use side handle in the housing UW, I can only use the buttons on Side SSD and on the LCD touchscreen for control. I have down arrow assigned to calculate white balance when pressed.

Best,
Frazier Nivens, Ocean Imaging
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Can you attach the presets you created so I can take a look at them?
 
Obviously not doing it right, reading again.

Ok, got a preset made to go from 30fps to 96 fps, assigned it to down arrow on LCD which is fine but I guess I have to use another button to change it back to 30 fps with set at relative for ss change. So, is the second button necessary to preset back to original settings?

You know I did the exact same thing over again and this time it changed my settings as it should. A bit puzzled by that.

Thanks and any suggestions are appreciated. This is a major deal for us filming underwater.

I programmed ssd side user buttons to change iris up and down for auto control of Canon lenses and one button on LCD to do single auto focus. Great stuff.

Edit, just now created a new preset to go back to original 30fps/60ss mapped to up arrow on LCD. It works but after I cycle once the up arrow reverts back to image magnify. Anyone? Still working on a one button ack and forth toggle between 30/60 and 96/192. Is this possible to toggle with one button?

Thanks anyone for help with this.
 
Ok, after setting both presets I shut the camera down to see if I could keep them set. After rebooting the camera it allowed me to use two buttons to go back and forth. After two back and forth toggles between buttons the up arrow button reverted back to image magnify. Ok, I give.
 
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