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Confessions...

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galexander... it looks to me like you are just enough informed to be dangerous and just enough uninformed to to cause trouble. What is your point? I'm missing it.

Jim
 
The point is that Red has created a camera that is truly modular. You upgrade as needed... better sensor, you install it... better data transfer from chip to media, upgrade it. Seems pretty clear to me that Jim and company have a better understanding of their customer base than most companies in business. That's how they beat the competition with ingenuity.
 
galexander said:
if you choose to take the tone in that manner, that is a reflection of your own self worth and view of the world. don't spout your negatively and bullshit my way, life is too wonderful to deal with people like you.
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Sounds like galexander is due for some mirror time.
 
Well, I guess this is partly my fault. I didn't follow my motto. :sad:

I guess I'll just have to put it in my signature. :unsure:

Now I won't forget it next time galexander attempts to think. :usd:
 
jing said:
Well, I guess this is partly my fault. I didn't follow my motto. :sad:

I guess I'll just have to put it in my signature. :unsure:

Now I won't forget it next time galexander attempts to think. :usd:
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Sure you can take that approach jing or you can tell the person to go F#CK THEMSELF.

Sure the latter option is the low road but I find it much more fun.
 
galexander said:
IMHO suggest do whatever it takes, break some balls, call in some production or software "gunslingers" and get to market now before they have a chance to react. They big boys are slow, but they have deep pockets with lots of hard-core, technical R&D and production man hours they can throw at a project in a short amount of time. Small companies can maybe throw 400 to 600 man hours a week at a project, they can throw thousands of man hours with full up fab and machine shops in a week.
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I think that galexander's point was that the technological lead that RED currently holds can be shut down quickly by the bigger fish, if they decide to get serious and throw all their resources at the problem. But I think the point got lost in the scuffle to see who was the biggest smartypants/wiseacre in the room.

Point taken, galexander, but I just don't see them moving quite as fast as you claim they can. They weren't exactly speedy ushering the EX-1 out the door, and it re-packages existing technology...not much actual innovation there, just a grudging admission that the sub-$10K market demanded more than they previously were willing to offer. The time-to-market was pretty unimpressive, and they are still back-ordered and not able to fill current orders on demand. Taking the EX-1 as a model of their willingness/ability to react to the demands of the marketplace (did someone say, cough cough Blu-Ray, cough...), I'd say RED is positioned quite well....

I believe that you're over-estimating the speed at which your can turn the Titanic, and they're about to hit the big RED iceberg at the bow...

But if you're right, and I'm wrong, I'd love to see Sony match the RED features at the RED price point! That'd be awesome. I might even buy one. As long as it inter-cut nicely with my pair of REDs.

(...anyone see those pigs flying? is the moon blue tonight?...)
 
Hmmm, let's see here... it's just me talking to myself... doing a little musing here... :innocent:

Considering I don't know the usefulness of an MTF (MarvouslyTightFemale?), how to make an array get off from images, and how many DN's does it take to screw a lightbulb in the dark, I'll have to keep this very, very basic so I can understand myself. I'm not a billionaire businessman, you know.

If Company R makes a quality product and yet still sells it at a "low" price and then Company B makes a similar product (which may or may not be similar in quality) and sells it higher... who sells the most?

No wait, that's not fair. Company B makes a similar product, maybe even in quality, and then sells it at best, an equal price?! :sarcasm: Anyway, a closed gap, similar technologies, and it's David vs Goliath. Now what?! :unsure:

Well, I don't have an answer.

I know! Google will save me! Let's see, key words: Company R, phenomenal customer service, innovation, intelligence, business savvy, dedication, heart, morals, character... (I can't believe those words are put together... oxymoron?)...

Search Result: Jim Jannard & the Red Team.

Oh... I think my lightbulb blinked on... must be that dark current... if an intelligent, good-hearted businessman offers me a high quality, affordable, upgradeable product that allows me to potentially achieve a dream (first) and then a bunch of greedy corporate suited big gorillas copy him just to try and take more money... well...

...I can only speak personally, but Jim has one damn loyal customer (who wants his camera now! Well, okay, a little later since I'm #1582... which I would have put in my reservation earlier for that credit, but I'm just a poor working slob! :construction:).

Business 101.

It's about the customers.
 
I mean come on guys.
give galexander a break,
there is a tendency to break out the
fanboys by Jim and others whenever problems loom Red wise.
I love the fan boys, I love the blind faith, the total lack of concern
when anything major goes wrong, they have a positive post for every
dire situation and they gunna change the world. You dont see that a lot
these days, only on reduser.net. I visit on a regular basis, I love it.
But I have to agree with the Galex, Red could disappear up it's own butt
in a puff of smoke if shit's not sorted now.
The company has to concentrate on producing the best possible camera it
can, f**k the giant slaying. get this thing working like a clock, the Nattress software is amazing, and free for the most part. You want to know what
Sony think, they think Red's just a pimped up DSLR and a bit of a joke,
the software and concept on the other hand has them a little concerned, like others in the industry.
This is a very important time for Red.
Mezmo
 
Akube said:
the man who painted the silver screen red.


... i wouldve made up a more emotional and sexy story if there was adobe support.. looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool. hahaha..
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Just stopped in on REDuser.net for a quick cuppa tea, but these two quotes were so funny, I just had to sign in and comment. Great lines, Akube!
 
You have no idea Mr Jannard how much people believe and cherrished your great accomplishment, please keep it going, we support you.
 
mezmo said:
I mean come on guys.
give galexander a break,
there is a tendency to break out the
fanboys by Jim and others whenever problems loom Red wise.
I love the fan boys, I love the blind faith, the total lack of concern
when anything major goes wrong, they have a positive post for every
dire situation and they gunna change the world. You dont see that a lot
thes days, only on reduser.net. I visit on a regular basis, I love it.
But i have to agree with the Galex, Red could disappear up it's own butt
in a puff of smoke if shit's not sorted now.
The company has to concentrate on producing the best possible camera it
can, f**k the giant slaying. get this thing working like a clock, the Nattress software is amazing, and free for the most part. You want to know what
Sony think, they think Red's just a pimped up DSLR and a bit of a joke,
the software and concept on the other has has them a little concerned, like others in the industry.
This is a very important time for Red.
Mezmo
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I think the issue is taking a constructive approach to things. There will always be friction between those who are getting things done and those who focus more on the factors that threaten success. Now and then on this site we get posts that are loaded up with frantic, breathless fear. The problem with that is that fear is contagious. We're all well aware of the marketing tool known as FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt), and it's a powerful tool despite the fact that it's not particularly constructive.

If FUD remains unanswered, it sits there, doing its work.

This site works very well in getting issues discussed and addressed in an orderly way. But when someone comes in with a fear-based posting that highlights the resources arrayed against Red, I don't think it's inappropriate for someone to step in to place that posting into the proper context, as Jing, Planet E and others have in this thread.

I would be surprised to find that there is anyone on this site who is not seriously concerned when something major shows up as a problem. I think what you're seeing is that those problems are being understood within their context without the need for external reassurance.

You're definitely right about this being a very important time for Red. Even at the best of times, birth is a dangerous process.
 
With all silliness and joking aside, the bottom line for me is that Red has built a great camera and sells it at a great price, continues to improve the quality at a break neck speed, and fixes "flaws" even faster.

Unlike the rabbit and turtle, I'm absolutely positive that this red rabbit is not resting on its rump this time.
 
Jim, Since "everything in life changes... including our camera specs and delivery dates..." have you seriously thought about not only delaying the delivery dates but also about speeding up the pace?

I mean, once the camera is designed to a satisfactory level, the question is of mass production. And if you feel your design department can do miracles, could the same apply to the production dept? Have you really put your mind on this? After all, manufacturing a few thousand cameras should not be that big deal. Of course, the additional cost of speeding up the process may not be tolerable, but it would be nice to know whether you've thought about this seriously.

Summing up, if everything may change, especially the delivery dates, any chance that meant in both directions?
 
And I may be picking the silliest example of many examples of "customer support and service", but the fact that it's so silly may be representative of Red's obsessive dedication to customer satisfaction. In what company/corporation do you find the owner/founder lurking a forum and then responding that he'll fix the FONT on the camera display because his customers don't like it?! WTF? The font!?!?
 
Randomfactor, Joon and Elizabeth, your comments are much appreciated.

I'm a little guy with truly BIG Dreams so I tend to do business with the Big guys just as well as with the little ones, RED Digital Cinema it is a little one as far as it is of very young age but little is not by far, as its achievments are so far remarkable and well observed by a Global media.

I have found that, yes some do take it still as a will see, kind of attitude, but many are already not only realizing and understanding what RED has achieved but are quickly jumping on the Unprecedented RED wagon Fenomena and trying to provide services and third party gear for sale to the thousands of very soon to be RED owners.

Again the way Jim decided to have an OPen Door Policy and his direct intervention and Participation in this forum is also unprecedented in this industry, incredibly welcomed by literally thousands of as, especially those like myself that have big dreams, tone of passion and little knowledge about many things, so this forum and Fantastic Community that RED has created, brings answers in a way that some times not even Books or Filmschool can.

But most importantly brings a enormous sense of family, friendship and will to Help one an other.

Again my most sincere congratulation to Jim and the entire RED team for their dedication and achievements but mostly I continue to be mesmerized by the way Jim finds time to be a part of this forum with genuine and down to earth relation with other users, I know of no other business man of Jim's stature that does anything remotly close to it.

I'm the kind of person that even so I'm on borrow time(literally) I always see the glass half full, I can understand if not all see it the same way, but what I do not understand is why some people have to come in to this forum and bring negativity to a product, a company and community that is doing nothing but minding their own business and taking action to fulfill their dreams.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com
 
jing said:
And I may be picking the silliest example of many examples of "customer support and service", but the fact that it's so silly may be representative of Red's obsessive dedication to customer satisfaction. In what company/corporation do you find the owner/founder lurking a forum and then responding that he'll fix the FONT on the camera display because his customers don't like it?! WTF? The font!?!?
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Yeah, that font issue has always made me laugh.
 
I'm curious. We all hear stories of even the big boys having production and delivery schedule problems, delays, etc. Of course, it's on a larger scale of hundreds of thousands of units, but the basics still apply, right? What are the real life business factors of speeding up production from a "small" company?

There's obviously cost. And I would imagine that Red is in the red right now. Jim is wealthy, but is he a Bill Gates? If a limit has been reached and increasing the speed of production uses up funds that would go to research and development, I'd rather wait. Because that would spell trouble. I want Red to succeed in the long run and not necessarily slay the giant but become a giant (for selfish reasons too). And keeping ahead of the pack in a technologically tight race (as galexander points out) or at least at the forefront, is of utmost importance. Because when products are similar in quality and price, whether it's a burger, electronic device, etc., customers will go to the company that they feel they will ALSO be taken care of the best. I remember buying a Dell way back when (at a time when it wasn't a giant and there were lots of choices) because I "heard" of its great customer service. And I like Apple because of its design and quality (price has been so so). But now that it's dual boot, guess what? I've got a quad mac and dell dual quad in my living room. Quality, branding, and customer loyalty works. I remember when I got my first slr camera in highschool, a Canon AE1, and while I acknowledge their are other camera brands of equal quality, I just bought a Canon 40D.

Again, I'm no businessman, but it seems to me Jim knows what he's doing. And yet he's smart enough to be humble and listen to all the senseless chatter for those few great insights and tips from customers in the know.

Fine, some people like to quarterback from their keyboard. I'm thankful that it's Jim who's in the driver's seat.
 
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