Confessions...

[number6]

All the work that is going into #557 to get her into my hands so I can learn it inside and out is also very appreciated.

Andrew, I didn't know you could order by gender. Why don't you get a RED with gonads and shoot some sheyit?

 

[Jay A. Kelley]

I would like to say to everyone on this forum that GAlexandar has been one of the most knowlegeable and helpful posters I have had the pleasure of meeting since being here.

His advice and consultation has been directly responsible for helping me fix REDCine more than it currently is, at a time where there were very few answers being provided, and he saved me THOUSANDS of dollars by prompting me to build my own computer rather than buy "off the shelf". The system is working wonderfully, and the education has opened my eyes in a number of ways.

Jim was concerned he might know enough to cause trouble. In fact Jim, he knows enough to help, a lot.

I predict in the near future, as smart people like GA and others get a hold of RED and it's software, they will take it in directions none of us, including RED have planned.

One can only hope, as these developments bring more choices to us, the consumers, that RED will be SUPPORTIVE of these initiaves rather than try to control or remove them. While I am confident that RED will get the ball rolling, it will be the third party developers who will make this thing shine. As long as RED creates an atmosphere of trust and support for those people, we will all benefit, but if they get a reputation for being controlling or cruel to those who may try to add to RED's product line, then it will be the beginning of the end, one may even go as far as to call them a "little Sony" in that case. I can only hope and pray this will never be the case.

I am grateful for GAlexandar's help, and I look forward to reading more of his posts and advice in the future.

Jay A. Kelley

 

[number6]

I think he's just a frickin' genius who knows so much that he has no one to talk to. So, he tries to push the buttons to see if anyone on REDuser.net has the same level of knowledge to challenge him. It ain't easy bein' a genius.

Well, it was for me... all I had to do was buy a camera, and voila! I'm a genius!

 

[Jay A. Kelley]

I think he's just a frickin' genius who knows so much that he has no one to talk to. So, he tries to push the buttons to see if anyone on REDuser.net has the same level of knowledge to challenge him. It ain't easy bein' a genius.

Well, it was for me... all I had to do was buy a camera, and voila! I'm a genius!

Oh god...:wacko:

Jay

 

[vincelucero]

Having a number that low must be excruciatingly painful. :huh:

Watching the clock...

... tick... tick... tick... tick... tick...

Something to look forward too myself around March or April, I guess.

You have no idea. Before I got word that it wasn't shipping, I was jumping for a look out my window each time a big truck came by.

 

[reality]

Genius or not, his lack of tact and politeness turns any genius into an idiot.

 

[Roberto B]

but i DO know the answer too bad you don't.... not even google can save you now. when you can explain what an MTF curve is, why it's useful, what does the timing looking like to get an image off the array, the physics behind it, what is the latency involved with the shift and add process? why do you want to add then shift? or shift then add? how many DN's are there in the dark current? ... then your otherwise useless, acinine and truly laughable comments might be taken as something more than a joke. i can answer all of these questions.



you have no clue at all? how has Red been successful at this point? profit? don't see that? in what manner whatsoever, has this venture been profitable by ANY benchmark. if you ask the boss, he would probably tell you that as of right now, it has NOT. he would probably say it has been a long, hard, bone shattering road. i get the impression it is NOT done for money.

you spout nothing but metaphors and ennuendos that are nothing more than meaningless dribble, while very entertaining and funny as hell. you've missed the point entirely. there is nothing wrong with admitting your ignorant of something. it's the fool who doesn't.



that's the point, they have not figured it out, if they had this would be on the market in full production as we speak. if you're lucky, when you 'surprise' the market with a product, you'll get a quarter maybe two before the competition can, will or choose to react.

the tone, like life is whatever you make of it. i choose to be as positive as i can be and help out as many people possible. if the truth doesn't match what you see in the mirror, than get a new mirror or accept the truth.

if you choose to take the tone in that manner, that is a reflection of your own self worth and view of the world. don't spout your negatively and bullshit my way, life is too wonderful to deal with people like you.

wow, you are really the unelightened and uninspiring, blind, leading the blind.

i'm also surprised that you know how to use a latin dictionary, see learn something new every day.

well well.. who's he?.. jim murdoch.. keith walters.. what are you doing here?.. on jarREDuser land?.. what a surprise!

 

[Michael Stanmore]

I'm going to show how I feel about all this by making movies when my camera arrives. Until then...

 

[mdo]

I would like to say to everyone on this forum that GAlexandar has been one of the most knowlegeable and helpful posters I have had the pleasure of meeting since being here.

His advice and consultation has been directly responsible for helping me fix REDCine more than it currently is, at a time where there were very few answers being provided, and he saved me THOUSANDS of dollars by prompting me to build my own computer rather than buy "off the shelf". The system is working wonderfully, and the education has opened my eyes in a number of ways.

Excellent recommendation. Thanks for sharing it.

 

[Thor Wixom]

Don't you guys have something to go shoot?

Jim

Yeah, ariel shots of Mt. Timpanogos on Monday... when my camera arrives!

-Thor

 

[Jared VanLeuven]

*unabashed jealousy*

Yeah, ariel shots of Mt. Timpanogos on Monday... when my camera arrives!

-Thor

 

[Steve Sherrick]

Last few days I've been getting schooled in future marketing strategies. Let's just say that Red's success is built upon one of these very powerful marketing strategies. The days of traditional marketing vehicles are going by the wayside quickly. You need to build communities around your products. You have to know why people love that product and you have to get their word of mouth, their allegience to that product so that they get on blogs, forums, etc and truly embrace the product. Case in point, look at what Red has done here at Reduser. Jim's interaction on here makes people feel part of the process. You are invested in the project, whether you have put down money or are just someone who really likes the camera.

So, it's not only about Sony coming out with a 4K camera, it's about what Sony is willing to do to build a passionate community around that camera. If they are going to offer a 4K camera that is more expensive than Red, they will have to make sure those commuities are in place that justify the additional cost by first hand user accounts of why that camera beats Red feature for feature, as well as an even more philosophical reasoning. They will need some passionate people, like we see here on this site. In some ways, Sony does have an allegience from a lot of professional shooters out there, and they will have to build on that with a more personal approach.

So, the camera is not where Red had hoped. Jim, that's very honest of you and I certainly appreciate that you guys are busting your asses trying to solve these issues. I suppose in any business there is a resource limit (we can all relate to that) but in your honest assessment Jim, is this a resource issue or are there some things that have just turned out to be completely unexpected issues, that at the moment, no one can solve? In other words, if there was someone who could walk in to your office tomorrow and say they have the answers to all of the issues you are having and that at the end of the day you will have as close to a perfect camera as you have imagined it, would it get done? Or is this a scenario where you have to walk that fine line between throwing money at the problem or using available resources to figure these things out?

Hope this thread stays on topic because I am curious about Jim's perspective on this. I suspect there's a lot that can be learned from what they are going through to do the impossible and do it in such a short amount of time. Keep it coming Jim, addressing the issues honestly like you are doing and then following through with innovative solutions will in my opinion make the success even sweeter for you guys in the end because you'll know you had to walk down a treacherous path and you still came out alive.

Steve

 

[Jannard]

Last few days I've been getting schooled in future marketing strategies. Let's just say that Red's success is built upon one of these very powerful marketing strategies. The days of traditional marketing vehicles are going by the wayside quickly. You need to build communities around your products. You have to know why people love that product and you have to get their word of mouth, their allegience to that product so that they get on blogs, forums, etc and truly embrace the product. Case in point, look at what Red has done here at Reduser. Jim's interaction on here makes people feel part of the process. You are invested in the project, whether you have put down money or are just someone who really likes the camera.

So, it's not only about Sony coming out with a 4K camera, it's about what Sony is willing to do to build a passionate community around that camera. If they are going to offer a 4K camera that is more expensive than Red, they will have to make sure those commuities are in place that justify the additional cost by first hand user accounts of why that camera beats Red feature for feature, as well as an even more philosophical reasoning. They will need some passionate people, like we see here on this site. In some ways, Sony does have an allegience from a lot of professional shooters out there, and they will have to build on that with a more personal approach.

So, the camera is not where Red had hoped. Jim, that's very honest of you and I certainly appreciate that you guys are busting your asses trying to solve these issues. I suppose in any business there is a resource limit (we can all relate to that) but in your honest assessment Jim, is this a resource issue or are there some things that have just turned out to be completely unexpected issues, that at the moment, no one can solve? In other words, if there was someone who could walk in to your office tomorrow and say they have the answers to all of the issues you are having and that at the end of the day you will have as close to a perfect camera as you have imagined it, would it get done? Or is this a scenario where you have to walk that fine line between throwing money at the problem or using available resources to figure these things out?

Hope this thread stays on topic because I am curious about Jim's perspective on this. I suspect there's a lot that can be learned from what they are going through to do the impossible and do it in such a short amount of time. Keep it coming Jim, addressing the issues honestly like you are doing and then following through with innovative solutions will in my opinion make the success even sweeter for you guys in the end because you'll know you had to walk down a treacherous path and you still came out alive.

Steve

The only adversary we have is time... it is not resources. There are a million things to do to get this right. And two years is just not enough. Particularly since we have raised the bar along the way. If you just look at where we have come since the 1st camera was shipped, it speaks volumes to the complexity of the program and our willingness to knock down the problems. I think we are pretty close. Every firmware upgrade enables features, becomes more stable and the images you can record to Compact Flash were never dreamed of by those that put down $1000 21 months ago.

There is no question that we will solve any remaining issues. It is just a matter of time.

Jim

 

[JFirestone]

This camera does have some issues that need to be resolved. I knew that coming into this, and didn't expect it to be perfect on release. I'm just thrilled to have the chance to start shooting with it. Over the last 12 days we've put our camera through a lot of testing, and have tested virtually every feature from strobes and skew to noise in the blue channel, and all the audio and monitoring issues. I am thrilled with this camera. It produces great images. Sure there are some things I hope will be fixed soon, especially regarding multiple monitor options. And you'll likely see a lot of posts about issues that I am having, both with the camera and the post workflow. But I am very happy with the camera and I look forward to the improvements that are made. This is part of being an early adopter. I'm just glad to be part of the process, and if I can provide useful feedback, I will.

 

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

There are a million things to do to get this right.
There is no question that we will solve any remaining issues. It is just a matter of time.

Jim

I think this is the answer of all our demands:whistling:

 

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

the Audio is still an issue huh.. Please tell me I have it wrong.. I would love to eat humble pie on that one The audio is real deal breaker for me.. honestly Jim.. I really need clean quiet audio recorded to the camera by a shotgun mic attached to the camera. It's how I make documentaries.. If I couldn't make that work, I don't know how I could use the camera..

 

[zak forrest]

=]

(had my first REAL red experience tonight, just got back... everyone was completely blown away at how easy and fun it was to do everything we wanted to do. 4K footage in my pocket and fists. all time best. so much fun. never in my wildest dreams..

 

[Steve Sherrick]

The only adversary we have is time... it is not resources.

Good to know.

There are a million things to do to get this right. And two years is just not enough. Particularly since we have raised the bar along the way.

But are you guys in search of the Holy Grail? Personally, I'd be happy knowing you guys are always working to improve the camera, as that would mean the Red One would keep evolving, and I could get more and more out of it. But at some point I'll need to get it in my hands, so the courageous quest you guys are on needs to reach the point where the camera is good enough for delivery (all QC issues worked out) with the caveat being that there will be improvements. even after we get the camera. Seems like you guys are getting to that point.

If you just look at where we have come since the 1st camera was shipped, it speaks volumes to the complexity of the program and our willingness to knock down the problems. I think we are pretty close. Every firmware upgrade enables features, becomes more stable and the images you can record to Compact Flash were never dreamed of by those that put down $1000 21 months ago.

I can honestly say I never expected Compact Flash to be able to record 4K. With some of the remaining issues, sometimes it gets lost what you guys have actually accomplished. You've adapted to the market and implemented changes and redesigns quicker than most companies as far as I can tell.

There is no question that we will solve any remaining issues. It is just a matter of time.

Time is rarely our best friend. It pushes us, it runs out on us, and we can never get it back. But it also gives us great hope, as there's always more of it.

You guys will get there Jim.

 

[Jannard]

Good to know.


But are you guys in search of the Holy Grail? Personally, I'd be happy knowing you guys are always working to improve the camera, as that would mean the Red One would keep evolving, and I could get more and more out of it. But at some point I'll need to get it in my hands, so the courageous quest you guys are on needs to reach the point where the camera is good enough for delivery (all QC issues worked out) with the caveat being that there will be improvements. even after we get the camera. Seems like you guys are getting to that point.

Read Zak's post above yours. We are there. But we aren't done. Almost an oxymoron.

Jim

 

[Steve Sherrick]

Jim,

I knew you guys were there when Gibby was using the camera on high end projects. I knew you were there when Soderberg adopted the camera as his go to for everything he's doing moving forward, and I knew you were there when you said you were happy with shooting with the camera. "There" being a relative term. I'm convinced I'd be happy with the camera as it stands right now. I could get things done with it and feel comfortable renting it out knowing the limitations that exist at the moment and properly informing the clients of those limitations. What comes after that is icing on the cake, a journey onto itself of making the camera more and more powerful to the point where 10 builds down you feel like you just got a new camera. That's where I'm going with this. I'd be happy with it now based on what I've read about from the current owners, despite the occasional flaws. And that's because I believe in the committment you have to making it better.

Steve