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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Brave?

Brave?

Long time listener first time caller.

This post about being 'brave' is nonsense. Real people who work on real productions dont want brave. they want people who can light, actors who can act and cameras that work. you can be brave if you are filming your bedroom wall at home but not such a good idea when working on a proper production where a camera is but one element, an element that should work 100%.

I have no doubt you guys will make it right some day, I just wonder will Sony etc get it right before you get a chance to? they have been doing this longer than two years? people trust them...

also sony dont post such ramblings which I have to say dont instil confidence.

peace out
 
"Sony doesn't post ramblings..."

Sony doesn't really post anything. They never open the door to us, or keep potential users in the loop of what's coming up.

RED could put up a front and inspire us with confidence, whether or not it was real, but then they would be like everyone else.

I find this whole journey incredibly exciting, and I check these boards daily. It takes a tremendous amount of courage for RED to air their dirty laundry here, and let us witness both their struggles and successes.

Like many of the people on this board, I'm not quite ready to take the plunge, as RED is still obviously working out some bugs. Luckily my producer is, and his first two RED's are currently in transit.

Before I buy my own I'll test the heck out of the thing, and be sure it's performing at a level that I deem acceptable.

We've all got a tolerance for different levels or risk, the camera is clearly at the "bleeding edge" of tech right now, and those that can afford to adjust to the cameras CURRENT short comings, will reap the benefits.

There's no question that the camera will reach your level of tolerance at some point, but until then, enjoy the journey. The camera these guys are building is MANY times better than anything that has been built before, at anywhere close to the price range.

Now back to enjoying the development of RED
 
"also sony dont post such ramblings which I have to say dont instil confidence."

Um, your missing the whole point here buddy......

This is a new way...
 
Like I said, Sony is going to need to adapt to a new way of marketing. The guys I just hung out with the past few days know their stuff about the way corporations are shifting their marketing strategies and I feel Red is more positioned to take advantage of these techniques then Sony is. Just ask Avid. They are going through the same thing. It's all about reaching out to your customers on a more personal level. You won't see Avid on the NAB floor this year. They are going to be meeting with clients one on one. Red may be evolving, but they are also highly successful with getting word of mouth out there.

Steve
 
From my viewpoint, Jim's ramblings DO inspire confidence, because we know he cares about us and our cameras more than making a buck. Sony wants to make a buck, Jim wants to make the greatest camera in the world. I think a lot of us really love him for that.

D
 
Jannard said:
4. Meeting schedules. We are not meeting schedules as well as we would like. While we are doing the best we can, and have begun shipping again... we are behind. It is frustrating. I understand. You should complain. If it was my money, I would be be impatient. Keep posting that you want your camera NOW!


Jim
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Jim ,

I would rather you get it right , don't feel pressured by demand ...two years ago this concept would not have even been conceivable, you deserve the patients of your customers...if they didn't feel comfortable waiting they needn't buy in to the program in the first place! id like to draw you attention to a rather poignant commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBRmN6J6ehg
 
I understand that you guys started from scratch but it would be helpful to us that are considering RED to know when you expect the platform to be stable. I'm interested to place an order. Am I safe in assuming that everything will be out of beta by the time I receive a camera if I placed an order today? Some people are willing to live with development. I am not. I have a Sony 900 and all the kinks are worked out. I really want a full frame sensor and the RED seems perfect but I don't want the hassle of daily firmware updates and the fear of breakdowns.
 
The most important thing NOW is the technology change that RED is giving to the film´s industry. Here in spain we are waiting nicely with an strong support to all of you guys!!!!! remember this:

¨The man who can´t visualise a horse galloping on a tomato is an idiot.¨

Enelio Farina
 
Full Moon: if you order now, your cam will be shipped sometime towards the end of the year (my prediction, not anyone else's), and will be number 4000+.
The 'kinks' will be WELL sorted out by then.
 
I have used the camera on two jobs now and as a director I intend on using it a LOT this year. I think we will shoot nearly all of our jobs on it this year. The price of the rental is fantastic and we get great service from Rocket Rentals here in Auckland. This is a great camera. It's like an Aaton, not an Arriflex - very ambitious and inventive, and designed for image makers not the techo's guild. The techo's guild job is to make the tool work, not complain about it. But they always complain about anything that is different. Yes there are problems but there are work-arounds. It isn't better than film, yes, but it is the only Digital moving-image camera that can function as a substitute. F900 looks crap, Varicam looks crap. The pictures from this camera can look brilliant and that is the bottom line. I respect Jannard's balls and dedication to do something good and make something from scratch and damn the costs and connsequences and trying hard to do something big.
 
I say the above not as an ignorant director, I am very very technical and pride myself on being so. I know the technology of image-capture very well.
I also do all of the R3D processing and post in-house. Fact is that the result is better than going to a post house - I have gone that route and they stuffed it up.

It's also not that hard to use - I have taken it on one evening just me and my DP and I pressed all the buttons. The menu system is easy to use. I don't understand why people complain so much - it is easy: if you don't like the camera, don't use it.
 
I'm in the next batch of cameras to be shipped and I can safely say I'd rather have it right than have it earlier.

I dont want to be returning parts of the basic production kit because they are not up to scratch and I don't want it refitted in a month because something on the body has a design change, or they go with a new battery mount or CF holder. Red is a big investment for me and I simply couldnt afford to be updating for every small design correction. So please take your time and make sure what ships is as close as possible to the final Red One body and accessory kit.

From my point of view the workflow is still akward. I know some people think it's great but my background isn't at high end as that. For those working on 35mm, im sure Red seems revolutionary. For those of us using a HVX or digibeta, it's just not that easy yet. I hope it will be in a few months.
 
I know things will evolve and I understand that. I'll clarify by saying I dont want a camera that needs 'fixing'. If things evolve down the line then that's expected. But if my camera has parts that wobble, or the battery connection is loose, or they change the design of the CF slot because its a bitch to eject.... I'd rather wait until all that was solid.

This is assumption on my part, but I would have thought most of the upgrades will come in software, I dont think we should be expected to be upgrading the hardware directly on the camera month after month. My hope is the hardware will be mostly finalised with the next batch of shipping cameras. After all if they keep redesigning the body it's going to cost them much more in R&D and manufacturing.
 
darkline said:
I know things will evolve and I understand that. I'll clarify by saying I dont want a camera that needs 'fixing'. If things evolve down the line then that's expected. But if my camera has parts that wobble, or the battery connection is loose, or they change the design of the CF slot because its a bitch to eject.... I'd rather wait until all that was solid.

This is assumption on my part, but I would have thought most of the upgrades will come in software, I dont think we should be expected to be upgrading the hardware directly on the camera month after month. My hope is the hardware will be mostly finalised with the next batch of shipping cameras. After all if they keep redesigning the body it's going to cost them much more in R&D and manufacturing.
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I've never had a camera yet that was perfect the way you say. The difference with other companies is they put out a new model and then you must pay for a brand new camera. Even the simple little DVX went through three incarnations to fix all kinds of design issues and they still didn't get it perfect.
 
True Craig, but I kept the original DVX and used it for years ;there was nothing wrong with it, it was a production worthy camera. By that I mean the upgrades were enhancements, not fixes.

If my Red camera arrives with handles that slip, battery mounts that dont grip or a camera that didnt operate at 0c then thats not really acceptable as a production model.

Red have fixed most problems so far and are continuing to do so. What Im saying is dont ship until all these things are fixed.

Going back to the DVX, they released the B version maybe a year or more later; the reason the Red Camera is changing in hardware week to week is because it's still coming out of beta.
 
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