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Cheaper Alternative methods of Capturing Media

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Michael Pyon

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So it looks like I'm going to get the Scarlet X package that only includes one 64 gb ssd card which I heard only records up to 24min of 4k footage. Those 64gb cards are $950 a pop and I'm just thinking to myself that there's gotta be a cheaper way.

Is recording directly a computer with an external hard drive even possible?

Thanks,

Mike

NYU 15'
 
I just posted a similar question on the "Crop demystified" thread:

Jeff Kilgroe said:
Most people don't realize it, but 4K REDCODE is comparable in size to recording 1080p ProRes..
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Then what I really need is a way to record the 4k data externally. It is a long story that I won't bore anyone with now, but I MUST record all of my data on an external high-performance DVR. Is there any way to do that and still get the 4K/redcode (some extra module, for example)?

If it is indeed true that the hd-sdi data are scaled to 1080 from the full sensor, then I would probably be happy with that, but I would need some official word from RED, or actual users, before deciding to go that route (I know, that answer will come in a few weeks, which is fine. Whenever someone knows that for sure please post a thread about it!)
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So, I have basically the same question as the other Mike, but for a different reason. Anyone know the answer?

Thx,
Mike
 
I disagree Kemalettin, recording out to something like a Atomos Samurai or Sound Devices Pix240 is a great option. Processing and shooting 4K all the time IS NOT necessary for most corporate clients, even music videos or lower budget TVCs. Consider this, you can record to pro res in an Alexa and output a Log image and get really great results from that camera. I'm sure a similar method of recording the RAW stream at 1080p would be of great advantage to many trying to enter the market with the option of upgrading to SSD at a later date. To say 'do not get scarlet if you cant afford single ssd' is looking at it from only 1 angle, when perhaps an alternative angle can be shot from this side of the room.

Michael check this thread I started and chime in, the more the better!

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?66076-Atomos-Samurai-and-Scarlett-X-VOTE-HERE!
 
Of course you can record to something like the atomos or sound device but why purchase a scarlet to only choke down its capabilities
 
Adam Howden said:
I disagree Kemalettin, recording out to something like a Atomos Samurai or Sound Devices Pix240 is a great option. Processing and shooting 4K all the time IS NOT necessary for most corporate clients, even music videos or lower budget TVCs. Consider this, you can record to pro res in an Alexa and output a Log image and get really great results from that camera. I'm sure a similar method of recording the RAW stream at 1080p would be of great advantage to many trying to enter the market with the option of upgrading to SSD at a later date. To say 'do not get scarlet if you cant afford single ssd' is looking at it from only 1 angle, when perhaps an alternative angle can be shot from this side of the room.

Michael check this thread I started and chime in, the more the better!

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?66076-Atomos-Samurai-and-Scarlett-X-VOTE-HERE!
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did you check atomos and pix240 prices?? also you need buy ssd media for those
 
Hey Kemaletting,

Yes I did check out the Pix240 prices, about $3K US, however I'm thinking the Atomos at $1595 US with a couple of 160 GB SSD drives is going to cost under $2K total and gives you nearly 3 Hrs or ProRes HQ at I think 220 M/bits if I remember correctly. Although you could only record at 1080 24, 25 and 30p it would be a big step up quality wise for anyone upgrading from a HDSLR and for many jobs would be more than satisfactory.

Anyway, I always try and maintian an open mind, there are always many ways to skin a cat so to speak, I suggest you do the same.
 
Michael Pyon said:
So it looks like I'm going to get the Scarlet X package that only includes one 64 gb ssd card which I heard only records up to 24min of 4k footage. Those 64gb cards are $950 a pop and I'm just thinking to myself that there's gotta be a cheaper way.

Is recording directly a computer with an external hard drive even possible?

Thanks,

Mike

NYU 15'
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you could record the HD stream coming out of the back of the camera, onto any HDSDI or HDMI recording device... but then again then you are just running around shooting HD big sensor. We have 4 cards and we do commercials mostly, then I find it very rare that we use more than 2 cards on rotation. So paying another 950USD for a second card is not much... you would probably make it back on the first day of shooting even if you are on dead tight budget... The cards empty rather quick.
 
REDRAW is amazing and something I plan to take advantage of as price points and client requirements demand. But I think we sell SCARLET short if people say its nothing w/o REDRAW. This is an amazing system at any ratio or rez. If 1080i PRez works for Alexa clients, I think I can make the SCARLET do the trick. I will be recording most of mymaterial with a PIX 240...


Stu Aull
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I would probably get that second 64gb ssd, at higher compression rates you can squeeze more video out of them. And combine it with a ninja or samurai for jobs where you need quick turn around and long recording times.

I do expect Red to be releasing alternative recording devices in the future (remember that h.264 one?), but for now these solutions should work.
 
AJ Aguirre said:
Of course you can record to something like the atomos or sound device but why purchase a scarlet to only choke down its capabilities
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Why choke down your post workflow with 4K resolution and a RAW processing?

If you're not outputting to cinema projection, why deal with the extra time and hassle? Not everyone needs (or necessarily wants) 4K resolution and a RAW workflow. And redcode is hardly the only reason to be shooting with these cameras.
 
Arnold F. said:
How long does it take to upload a 64GB card?
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Depends what you're uploading to... The SSD's read speed tops out over 260MB/s if you have a proper SATA connection for the reader and fast enough storage to copy to. To the fastest it can go is a bit over 4 minutes for a full 64GB card. At least that is what I have been told and relational to speeds of the 128 and 256 GB SSD's. Takes about 17 minutes to unload a full 256GB card on my faster workstations.
 
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