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Cheap third party Red MiniMag replacement - JinniMag?

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Cameron McKinlay said:
we all know they are incredibly over-inflated $/per/GB.l
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From what i understand, redmags are SLC 1bit/cell memory.

I suspect the mark-up isn't as high as some expect

SSD drives these days are cheaper because they use cheaper TLC 3bit/cell memory


SLC is close to bullet proof

TLC is prone to blind data corruption - hence why most banks still use mechanical magnetic spinning disks


If a production is $500/hour or $50,000/hour, why risk the expense of corrupted media just to save a couple hundred bucks?
 
It's crazy that some people would even consider compromising their investment like this... You came all this way, to buy and own you're very own RED, and you're going to fuck it all up at the finish line?! It's like you finally got the hottest girl at the party and you're big idea is to take her to the experimental lab grown steak house with stolen ingredients because the guy in the alley told you it was ok?! Okay. Good luck with that bud.
 
oh, and for what its worth, I just bought a 512GB HS minimag from RED on friday (shipping today)!

And will no doubt buy another one, maybe two, before the end of the year.


Jarred, keep innovativing, fuck the pirates and scammers!

I did am DNS look-up, and their page appears to be hosted in the US:


jinnimag.com


A records


host:jinnimag.com
class:IN
ttl:600
type:A
ip:184.168.221.41


NS records
host:jinnimag.com
class:IN
ttl:3600
type:NS
target:ns23.domaincontrol.com
host:jinnimag.com
class:IN
ttl:3600
type:NS
target:ns24.domaincontrol.com


SOA records
host:jinnimag.com
class:IN
ttl:600
type:SOA
mname:ns23.domaincontrol.com
rname:dns.jomax.net
serial:2016070700
refresh:28800
retry:7200
expire:604800
minimum-ttl:600


MX records
host:jinnimag.com
class:IN
ttl:3600
type:MX
pri:0
target:smtp.secureserver.net
host:jinnimag.com
class:IN
ttl:3600
type:MX
pri:10
target:mailstore1.secureserver.net
 
From more digging add to that: Registered on July 7th.

EDIT: Bruce Royce looks to be your man according to WhoIs. So, the lawyers can reach him at brucerroyce@gmail.com or by the tele at +44.447979480583.

Daniel Reed said:
oh, and for what its worth, I just bought a 512GB HS minimag from RED on friday (shipping today)!

And will no doubt buy another one, maybe two, before the end of the year.


Jarred, keep innovativing, fuck the pirates and scammers!

I did am DNS look-up, and their page appears to be hosted in the US:


jinnimag.com
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Jarred, and fellow red users,

as a photographer for many years I dealt and read about this so many times. Unfortunately there is very little left as of respect for IP these days. I had so many photos of mine used for commercial and editorial that were stolen off websites. Check the Richard Prince vs Cariou story or Richard Prince's Instagram series. It blew my mind the unfairness of the stories. Backed up by one of the largest art galleries in the world. More recently Carol Highsmith vs Getty Images. Getty not only stole her photos, but sold them for a price/profit when she actually donated them for free at the library.

I am only saying this because people out there, and apparently someone here (Cameron?) have absolutely no integrity when it comes to the work of others. And it is only getting worst. Younger generations have no clue about copyright. As Cameron basically said "I don't care, as long as I have a monetary advantage".
In my humble opinion, pursuing them legally is a must. But don't get upset around it. These people won't change their mind, as they feel entitled to do so.

Please continue to innovate, Jarred, and the many talented people here. Let others copy, as they can't create.
 
As stupid as it sounds, I've had a couple old student films stolen off youtube/vimeo and re-submitted by other students as their own work for film school assignments.

Which completely blows my mind!
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Cameron McKinlay said:
If they constantly crash and have problems...I sell them, no harm done.
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So you would sell defective/unauthorized/non working gear to unsuspecting RED users? Despicable. Shame on you. I can't believe someone would do such thing and say "no harm done"
 
Daniel Stilling said:
So you would sell defective/unauthorized/non working gear to unsuspecting RED users? Despicable. Shame on you. I can't believe someone would do such thing and say "no harm done"
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"no harm done" wow.
well, RED has the right to refuse sale to anyone, you might of made the naughty list.
 
Alberto Guglielmi said:
Jarred, and fellow red users,

as a photographer for many years I dealt and read about this so many times. Unfortunately there is very little left as of respect for IP these days. I had so many photos of mine used for commercial and editorial that were stolen off websites. Check the Richard Prince vs Cariou story or Richard Prince's Instagram series. It blew my mind the unfairness of the stories. Backed up by one of the largest art galleries in the world. More recently Carol Highsmith vs Getty Images. Getty not only stole her photos, but sold them for a price/profit when she actually donated them for free at the library.

I am only saying this because people out there, and apparently someone here (Cameron?) have absolutely no integrity when it comes to the work of others. And it is only getting worst. Younger generations have no clue about copyright. As Cameron basically said "I don't care, as long as I have a monetary advantage".
In my humble opinion, pursuing them legally is a must. But don't get upset around it. These people won't change their mind, as they feel entitled to do so.

Please continue to innovate, Jarred, and the many talented people here. Let others copy, as they can't create.
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Thanks for this. That Highsmith story is incredible, I hope she wins if it is indeed true.

This really all is very sad and it looks like it is just getting worse.

The blatancy is shocking.. The whole " yeah, i'm stealing your shit, fuck you " attitude.

It's crazy. The whole world just seems to have gone to shit.
 
Guys, if you need cheaper media: buy 1 or 2 big mags (best price per GB) or buy them 2nd hand. REDMAGs are reliable as hell. And I've heard, that they are even reusable. ;)
If you need it cheaper: record to an external recorder. If you need the cheapest solution for media: buy a SONY A7 or a Digicam.

I started off with two 64GB mags at the time the Scarlet-X came out, just because I couldn't afford more. You need to work harder to get the backups done in time, to be ready for the switch, but I managed fine and I guess so can everybody else. Don't know about the others of course, but I need my work to be safe the moment I'm recording it and I wouldn't trust anything not approved by RED.

I'm not a rich guy, so of course if I can save money, I'm trying to find the best deal. But I wouldn't steal from or scam somebody just to get what I want. I try to make do with what I can afford. I can't afford the upgrade to weapon at the moment, so I stick to my good old Scarlet!
All the others who want to be cheapskates, can go to canal str. and buy their "Rolex", their DVDs and brand perfume over there and be proud that they made such an amazing deal. If they offered you a "REDD digital kinema" camera on canal street, would you buy it? (It even offers one more D in the name ;) )

And even if RED does have a premium on media GB wise - so what? It's a business and they need to make money to continue to exist. I don't want to sell my work for low just because somebody doesn't want to pay my rates! I know I do my best to deliver the best I can and I know it's worth it ;)
Buying from RED, I know I support the company who keeps on improving and shaking up the industry. Call me a fanboy, but I trust in Jarred, I trust in RED and in their integrity.

[RANT OFF]
 
Jarred Land said:
Guys... I can't tell you how much this pisses me off. Not from a business perspective, but as a patent holder and a creator.

Like all of you, we spend a lot of time money and effort creating what we do.

For our media, we developed our own IP and Firmware and spent millions of dollars testing, certifying and QC every media card that we ship. Its why we have significantly less card errors than other companies using generic media... even reputable generic media.

Media is one of the most critical components of the entire system and the way we write to a card is very different than a normal SSD is programed for.

For some random company to hack and duplicate our IP and our firmware ( which is the only way they could do this ) is exactly like someone stealing your films and calling them their own and selling them to others. It goes against everything I stand for.


I don't know where this company is from. I assume the UK cover is just bullshit. Someone said China but I really hope this is not the case as China has made such significant improvements over the last decade turning around their attitude towards Copyright infringement , Trademark violations , and IP theft ( which it appears this company has broken all three in one swoop )

I am shocked some of you are here are actually endorsing this.

I will shut RED completely down... I am not kidding... If stealing each others shit suddenly is deemed acceptable.

It's not a world I want to work or create or live in.


Jarred
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Jarred Land said:
You don't get it. This isn't about the money or even about media.

We invented something. Someone is saying they have stole it. And you are sitting there telling everyone that is ok.

It is the same as if you saved up or borrowed $10,000,000 and went and wrote and directed and shot your film. you edit it together and finish it and put it up on Itunes for $9.99 to get your money back.

But someone from china looks at your film and likes it and says " Fuck that guy charging $9.99 for his film on Itunes. I don't think people should pay that much. Lets just download this guys film, steal it , change the opening credits with our logo and reupload it on Itunes and only charge $1.00.

That's not right..

Lawyers will deal with these guys doing this.... but it is you guys that think that this is OK that have me way way way more pissed off.
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Couldn't agree more...

This is so terribly wrong on all points it's not even a discussion... And sadly India has been also playing a role as of lately on this type of things... Sadly!

I for sure wouldn't NEVER buy one... And hope your layers shot them DOWN!!
 
As for the message to my fellow Filmmakers...

If you haven't ever been on a set where a Film Roll was accidentally damaged beyond usability...

Then you don't know what it fills like loosing critical shots, that might be or might be not possible to re-shoot...

Either way, the loss of that day's work, and all that went in to it, suddenly made that great day's work, a nightmare... Both artistically and Financially!!


So if you are even thinking of giving this third party media a try...

There is of course the moral factor, of supporting a product form a company which has Stolen some one else's fruit of their hard labor and financial commitment...

Then you must also think very hard how much you are willing to risk loosing on set... If you like playing Russian roulette that is...
 
Jarred Land said:
Lawyers will deal with these guys doing this.... but it is you guys that think that this is OK that have me way way way more pissed off.
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Why not just ban Redusers who endorse such stealing? I mean, you don't have to shut down Red, shut them down instead :)

As for these cards, If anyone even think it's good to put an entire production at risk by using some "hacked" lowcost version of real media, that's just insane. People are just stupid...
 
Christoffer Glans said:
As for these cards, If anyone even think it's good to put an entire production at risk by using some "hacked" lowcost version of real media, that's just insane. People are just stupid...
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And i see why this could do harm to RED's reputation and even hurt the business of those who don't use them. Just imagine those things get widely spread and then fail from time to time. In public eye it will be the "RED camera" that failed and wasn't reliable enough. You probably won't get a job because you shoot RED and the cheap-head before you failed. Preventing that is one more big reason to stop those guys from selling anything to anyone.

Jarred and RED have given so many times. It's beyond my understanding why some people close their eyes now, just to save a few bucks. I totally understand the guy and his emotions. It must be a real disappointment on so many levels.
 
Patrick Grossien said:
Guys, if you need cheaper media: buy 1 or 2 big mags (best price per GB) or buy them 2nd hand. REDMAGs are reliable as hell. And I've heard, that they are even reusable. ;)
If you need it cheaper: record to an external recorder. If you need the cheapest solution for media: buy a SONY A7 or a Digicam.

I started off with two 64GB mags at the time the Scarlet-X came out, just because I couldn't afford more. You need to work harder to get the backups done in time, to be ready for the switch, but I managed fine and I guess so can everybody else. Don't know about the others of course, but I need my work to be safe the moment I'm recording it and I wouldn't trust anything not approved by RED.

I'm not a rich guy, so of course if I can save money, I'm trying to find the best deal. But I wouldn't steal from or scam somebody just to get what I want. I try to make do with what I can afford. I can't afford the upgrade to weapon at the moment, so I stick to my good old Scarlet!
All the others who want to be cheapskates, can go to canal str. and buy their "Rolex", their DVDs and brand perfume over there and be proud that they made such an amazing deal. If they offered you a "REDD digital kinema" camera on canal street, would you buy it?

And even if RED does have a premium on media GB wise - so what? It's a business and they need to make money to continue to exist. I don't want to sell my work for low just because somebody doesn't want to pay my rates! I know I do my best to deliver the best I can and I know it's worth it ;)
Buying from RED, I know I support the company who keeps on improving and shaking up the industry. Call me a fanboy, but I trust in Jarred, I trust in RED and in their integrity.

[RANT OFF]
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Agreed on all levels!
 
Jarred Land said:
Thanks for this. That Highsmith story is incredible, I hope she wins if it is indeed true.

This really all is very sad and it looks like it is just getting worse.

The blatancy is shocking.. The whole " yeah, i'm stealing your shit, fuck you " attitude.

It's crazy. The whole world just seems to have gone to shit.
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More and more people are just focusing solely on their own enrichment and losing the sense for right and wrong. Lots of people just don't care about others anymore and now they even start to close their eyes when it comes to realize that their action of today could clearly damage themselves tomorrow. They don't work, they don't invest, they think there is a short-cut, they actually believe they deserve it.

To begin with, it seems there is half a generation of people who did not learn that it is wrong to download and copy content. And you can discuss it to ages, they always twist it as much as need to make their own perception work. They don't understand you, but expect you to understand them.

And in this particular case it's not even just about copying and a big fuck you into your direction. He's also motivated to attack you and tried to gather people by playing them cheaply.

In that guy's opinion RED's business model is to sell "overpriced" media to be able to sell cameras cheaper. It doesn't matter how wrong that assumption is, how far off from reality he is. It's the way he wrote it, he tried to twist reality to actually make his mission sound good, to make himself some kind of Robin Hood while making RED the greedy evil monster.

All that shows a lot more criminal energy (and psychological problems) than the (sadly) usual of copying of a product.
 
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