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Cheap third party Red MiniMag replacement - JinniMag?

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You gotta admit, Elsie, it's entertaining to watch.
 
Jarred Land said:
You don't get it. This isn't about the money or even about media.

We invented something. Someone is saying they have stole it. And you are sitting there telling everyone that is ok.

It is the same as if you saved up or borrowed $10,000,000 and went and wrote and directed and shot your film. you edit it together and finish it and put it up on Itunes for $9.99 to get your money back.

But someone from china looks at your film and likes it and says " Fuck that guy charging $9.99 for his film on Itunes. I don't think people should pay that much. Lets just download this guys film, steal it , change the opening credits with our logo and reupload it on Itunes and only charge $1.00.

That's not right..

Lawyers will deal with these guys doing this.... but it is you guys that think that this is OK that have me way way way more pissed off.
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I have written many posts about steeling IP. People dont realize how much harm they can do to innovation saving a few dollar just to get a crap copycat or knock off. It has been happening here in various threads, and no matter the size of the company that has been copied its a freaking crime. It doesnt matter if you can do it and buy a knock off its a crime. It doesnt matter if the original company spent millions or thousand or hundreds in r+d its a crime and theft. It doesnt matter if ebay sells it legally its a crime and theft. Its exactly what Jarred describes here. Ask your self how you would feel if someone has stolen your endless hours days months years work. Ask your self how would you feel if someone stole 5 minutes of your work. Its freaking theft, it doesnt matter if a company has a big hummer to protect their IP, its what you do , how you ignore someones work and buy knock offs . You are a part of it, and you are helping this to happen again just about everywhere. People here judge many companies including RED being expensive. To me those people know nothing about R+D and investment. And most importantly, the spend 100k to buy pro camera gear then they moan about every single dollar they spend over to support their investment. And they buy copycats thinking that they will make their business grow faster? seriously? think about the risk and the consequences.

kind regards
 
constantine Tirintzis said:
I have written many posts about steeling IP. People dont realize how much harm they can do to innovation saving a few dollar just to get a crap copycat or knock off. It has been happening here in various threads, and no matter the size of the company that has been copied its a freaking crime. It doesnt matter if you can do it and buy a knock off its a crime. It doesnt matter if the original company spent millions or thousand or hundreds in r+d its a crime and theft. It doesnt matter if ebay sells it legally its a crime and theft. Its exactly what Jarred describes here. Ask your self how you would feel if someone has stolen your endless hours days months years work. Ask your self how would you feel if someone stole 5 minutes of your work. Its freaking theft, it doesnt matter if a company has a big hummer to protect their IP, its what you do , how you ignore someones work and buy knock offs . You are a part of it, and you are helping this to happen again just about everywhere. People here judge many companies including RED being expensive. To me those people know nothing about R+D and investment. And most importantly, the spend 100k to buy pro camera gear then they moan about every single dollar they spend over to support their investment. And they buy copycats thinking that they will make their business grow faster? seriously? think about the risk and the consequences.

kind regards
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your comment was well worth this thread being resurrected again!
 
I cannot express enough how much I appreciate living within the RED ecosystem. After returning to RED as a Raven owner, previously owning a Scarlet for a few years, and having owned a few other brands such as Sony, Canon and Panasonic, it's so great to be back to RED again. It's truly humbling to have the privilege to shoot with a RED.

I went online to research getting more Mini Mags for my Raven, and I went to Reduser to look for any used 240's. Obviously, they go fast, so I try to keep an eye out. Then, I see a discussion about the Jinnimag third-party mags, and my brow went up for a moment. "Is this for real? No, it can't be." And all I have to do is search through the thread and I can find answers from the President of RED himself to know everything I need to know about the whole third-party Redmag discussion.

And I really appreciate all of the feedback, from Jarred of course, but also from Senior members who can explain why this is all so messed up. The IP discussions and the time taken to explain everything about the R&D and QC time and labor put into the development of RED's technology in their Redmags.

You don't get this kind of support from any other company. Period. You get real, candid upfront answers and support that is such an added bonus to the absolute top of the industry quality and performance we get from our RED gear.

I was on a shoot with my Raven last week and had it on my Ronin MX with a D-tap extension. Long story short, the d-tap came unplugged while in the middle of a shot. Shit. Not what I wanted to see. Needless to say, I have remedied the situation to never happen again, but I was amazed to find that when I rebooted the camera, the clip was still intact. Definitely not condoning this ever happening, but it it such a testament to the robustness of RED's workflow.

Huge props to what Jarred and RED are doing and fuck anyone who would try to undermine their integrity or steal their technology. And definitely fuck anyone who would support the stealing of said technology.
 
Steve Sherrick said:
There's a huge difference. When a RED mag is bad (which is very rare) I can go to RED and say "this mag has problems". If I can't recover the files myself, I can send the mag in to RED to see if they can salvage the footage. In other words, there is accountability there. If I use 3rd party media, I know the response I get from Jarred will have a few F bombs in there. And rightfully so. :-)
Obviously this comes down to calculated risk. If this guy goes forward and actually makes these mags, those purchasing will do so at their own risk. Nothing I can say or do to stop anyone from making that choice. I just know from my experience, I've always gone with supported media such as the 64GB 95MB/s SD cards for GH2/BMPCC. I've always rented additional media when I needed it, allowing me to stay confident I'll get the shots.
Your point about any media having the potential to fail is valid. It just comes down to whether you can get the support when something does go wrong.
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Elsie N said:
Yeah, I only brought that point up to answer the statement that people would be posting that RED media is at fault, and it actually being true in some cases.

Basically were on the same page... I'm more or less playing Devil's Advocate. '-)
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I found a good buy on used RED Mini-Mag media and just added another TB (makes 3 TBs for my WEAPON CF... already had 3/ 512s for my RAVEN.) in prep for Helium 8k.

No way I would trust third party media to record 8k or even 6k for that matter.
 
bigfoot, unicorns, aliens, jinnimag..
 
I would like to see them record for more than 10 seconds.

Oh, and stop BS-ing everyone. That'd be cool too.

No reason to jeopardize the entire production just to save a few bucks. If you can't afford RED media, you don't have the budget to shoot RED. I'm not sorry. Shoot DSMC1 or R-1 if you want cheaper options, using legit media that can be trusted. WHEN this media fails, you will blame the camera, not your imitation REDmags.
 
On the plus side, if you run into someone who has one of these you will know they're a complete fool since they're now pretty much the same price as legit mini-mags.
 
Alex Kiritz said:
On the plus side, if you run into someone who has one of these you will know they're a complete fool since they're now pretty much the same price as legit mini-mags.
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Which is NOT a direct result of the 3rd party product, but rather a switch to a different SLC (480/512 vs 960vs1TB).
 
From reading on their webpage it seams like they will also do touchscreens.

"Hunter: Affordable touch screen monitor loaded with features to control and animate Sony and RED digital cinema cameras. "


Edit take that back, apperently they can provide pretty much everyhting you need for your film proudction.....

JinniBox: Affordable High-Resolution, Digital Cinema Camera
JinniEyes: Cine Style Lenses
JinniMag: Affordable, high quality and high capacity media for Digital Cinema Cameras
JinniLamp: Lighting equipments for filming industry
Hunter: Affordable touch screen monitor loaded with features to control and animate Sony and RED digital cinema cameras.
Reciter: Super high speed mount to connect camera media to PC/MAC
Dist!: RAW extension for Sony FS7 and FS7Mk2
Radian: Real-time and offline 3D controller of 2D set.
 
Björn Benckert said:
From reading on their webpage it seams like they will also do touchscreens.

"Hunter: Affordable touch screen monitor loaded with features to control and animate Sony and RED digital cinema cameras. "


Edit take that back, apperently they can provide pretty much everyhting you need for your film proudction.....

JinniBox: Affordable High-Resolution, Digital Cinema Camera
JinniEyes: Cine Style Lenses
JinniMag: Affordable, high quality and high capacity media for Digital Cinema Cameras
JinniLamp: Lighting equipments for filming industry
Hunter: Affordable touch screen monitor loaded with features to control and animate Sony and RED digital cinema cameras.
Reciter: Super high speed mount to connect camera media to PC/MAC
Dist!: RAW extension for Sony FS7 and FS7Mk2
Radian: Real-time and offline 3D controller of 2D set.
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yes.. everything.. hah hah hahhahahahah
 
Tim Daust said:
yes.. everything.. hah hah hahhahahahah
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Makes you wonder, right?

Why try and steal Red's media customers, when they could potentially capitalize and compete honestly with Red as a company by offering their own proprietary camera system.

I'd have so much more respect for a company saying, "We made our own unique design, which is cheaper and better than the competition" than "We directly ripped off the competition and plan to undercut their sales."

The answer to that question is probably because they can't.
 
Its shitty what they do. But I like the idea with USB3 in the back of the mag. Mag readers are a bit costly and I would love to be able to hook 5 mags up with only cables in the end of the day and lett it all copy at once. I`m one of those that always forgot to bring the mag reader to set and just having a second option with cable in the back of the mag is smashing. Taking out the prores files trough the back door / usb cable between takes is also a great option if I had it I would use it on the milo the whole time. It´s an option that overlaps the 10g eternet.

So if nothing else these guys brings some new ideas even if it´s done in a quite ugly way.
 
Hi Guys,

This thread, in a way is sorta acting like a way of bringing attention to a product that goes against a bunch of principles that many people have articulated quite accurately here.
At this point the resurrection of this thread is kinda acting like advertising for a product that pretty clearly violates everything RED stands for.

So, I'm closing it up.

Thanks for your comments and participation.

David
 
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