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Canon's new C700

Only plus features compared to Red are the great and working Dualpixel autofocus, and probably better lowlight abilities. But if this is needed I would rig up my 1DX2 for 1/6th of the price of the C700.
 
Visar Sulejmani said:
Well, considering that many Rental Houses are having issues renting most of their C300MII stock I sincerely doubt it. As the camera doesn't really bring anything new to the table that you couldn't get from a RED, F55 or Amira (Alexa Mini). Most people or productions that need a camera with this kind of Specs probably already own one of the cameras I mentioned.
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It is more practical than Red for certain types of projects, it has different color philosophy than Sony, it is cheaper than Alexa with higher resolution and likely most sensitive in the whole bunch. Alexa Mini is not designed to be a main camera and cannot compete with this camera in functionality.
 
As is seemingly always the case, the vast majority of posters on RedUser are looking solely at specs, price, and size. What they should be looking at is images. Although there are none currently available for the c700, if you look at the images of the C500 they're probably not dissimilar. And the images of the C500 are somewhat unique, particularly in terms of texture. They are very "silky" (I don't know how to better describe them) and very detailed. Concentrating on specs, features, and price ignores the simple fact that the most popular digital camera for features and television production at the studio level is still the Alexa, which by the standards of this board, falls short on all of those criteria. But it does have one thing that the others don't, and that's images that creatives have fallen in love with.

I can't change the perspective of people here, nor do I want to try. But there is a world that doesn't solely look at resolution numbers, highest possible frame rates, and price as the overriding criteria for a camera choice. And that world largely runs the higher end of the film industry.
 
Hrvoje Simic said:
Alexa Mini is not designed to be a main camera and cannot compete with this camera in functionality.
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And yet I know of at least 3 projects that are using it as such.

These days more than ever before, a camera's design criteria and market intent are less relevant than they've ever been. People will use whatever they want for whatever they want, whether it was designed for that or not. Alexas and F55's are occasionally being used for live broadcast, clearly not their design intent. Red cameras are being used for ENG, clearly not their intent either. GH4's are being flown on drones, clearly not the design intent of what is essentially a DSLR case. And Samsung phones are being used as viewing screens in VR headgear. The manufacturer's intent is based only on what the manufacturer sees, not necessarily what the buyers see.
 
This is a question/comment maybe for someone directly on the RED team - is the reason that some of these cameras need RAW recorders and are so big, because RED has patents on how the RAW data is recorded?

Having to to have an external recorder PLUS a batt, just make these thing impractical for general useage in my opinion.
 
M Most said:
And yet I know of at least 3 projects that are using it as such.

These days more than ever before, a camera's design criteria and market intent are less relevant than they've ever been. People will use whatever they want for whatever they want, whether it was designed for that or not. Alexas and F55's are occasionally being used for live broadcast, clearly not their design intent. Red cameras are being used for ENG, clearly not their intent either. GH4's are being flown on drones, clearly not the design intent of what is essentially a DSLR case. And Samsung phones are being used as viewing screens in VR headgear. The manufacturer's intent is based only on what the manufacturer sees, not necessarily what the buyers see.
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True dat

-dane
 
Noah Yuan-Vogel said:
But realistically this is a Varicam LT with 1-2 stops less DR for twice the price... Oh but at least it has 4k prores.
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Different color science, processing, 4K Prores, body functionality (on board UI), 4K 120p RAW...etc...and DR is claimed at 15 stops, while Varicam info states 14+
 
The price is so questionable. If it was bundled with the Codex Box that's designed for it then that would make a bit more sense. Guess Canon didn't learn their lesson about pricing from the C300 mkii. And seeing the overall negative response to the 5d mk iv, I don't think that this will be a good year for Canon.

Still sticking with my Weapon!
 
M Most said:
And yet I know of at least 3 projects that are using it as such.

These days more than ever before, a camera's design criteria and market intent are less relevant than they've ever been. People will use whatever they want for whatever they want, whether it was designed for that or not. Alexas and F55's are occasionally being used for live broadcast, clearly not their design intent. Red cameras are being used for ENG, clearly not their intent either. GH4's are being flown on drones, clearly not the design intent of what is essentially a DSLR case. And Samsung phones are being used as viewing screens in VR headgear. The manufacturer's intent is based only on what the manufacturer sees, not necessarily what the buyers see.
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That still doesn't add functionality and practicality F55, Amira and C700 have and which are a factor for particular types of projects.
 
A lot of these comments sound similar to the C300 vs. Scarlet-X announcement in Nov. 2011... C300 was 8bit 1080p with less DR at almost 2x the price of the Scarlet, yet it sold better... Not saying the C700 will do the same (the C500 wasn't nearly as successful), but I reserve judgement until I see the images.
 
Internal ND, global shutter, and 4k ProRes, RAW recording... super nice. They could've charged $40k for this camera 4 years ago, not today. This camera shouldn't be anything over $15k.
 
This camera seems aimed squarely at the Varicam & LT. If it were priced like an LT (Kit for $24k) then it might make sense. These expected prices tend to creep down as market realities set in, so I wouldn't be surprised to see this kit come down under $30K in 2017. Imaging remains to be seen. I'd be interested to find out if there's a quality difference between the Global and CMOS versions.
 
M Most said:
As is seemingly always the case, the vast majority of posters on RedUser are looking solely at specs, price, and size. What they should be looking at is images. Although there are none currently available for the c700, if you look at the images of the C500 they're probably not dissimilar. And the images of the C500 are somewhat unique, particularly in terms of texture. They are very "silky" (I don't know how to better describe them) and very detailed. Concentrating on specs, features, and price ignores the simple fact that the most popular digital camera for features and television production at the studio level is still the Alexa, which by the standards of this board, falls short on all of those criteria. But it does have one thing that the others don't, and that's images that creatives have fallen in love with.

I can't change the perspective of people here, nor do I want to try. But there is a world that doesn't solely look at resolution numbers, highest possible frame rates, and price as the overriding criteria for a camera choice. And that world largely runs the higher end of the film industry.
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Completely agree. Also not just image, but ergonomics as well.

People online lose their minds when Sony announces another dirt cheap camera with specs that look amazing. But most Sony cameras I've shot with have such bad UX design that they shoot themselves in the foot.
 
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I think the biggest thing this has pointed out to me is that I'm very happy shooting on RED. It also shows how far ahead of this particular game RED is.

Price, specs, and features don't exactly appeal to me here. Swappable sensors is interesting, but not if I need to bring the camera in every time you want to get it done. Also, some clarity about the differences of those two sensors would be nice.

This doesn't effect me at all.

However! That anamorphic lens. Well. I'll look at that :) Cooke's new anamorphic zoom is a beautiful beast of a lens. Curious to see how these compare to each other.
 
Dual pixel CMOS auto focus, for the runner gunner and with ef lenses this is a nice thing.
 
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