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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Canon mount for the RED ONE...

Aqua V...

Ahhhhhh, the light dawns... Yeah, I had not looked at it from that perspective--thanks for the clarification and the clue-in.

Okay, then... that makes a lot of sense--for the "Birger-ites" (among whom i count myself) but what about the "Technik-ians" (to whom I also pledge allegiance)?
 
and Mike, though I have nothing but respect for you and your wisdom throughout the process, you understate the problems. Handholding! Who expected handholding??

If you characterize waiting 7 months for a response "handholding," then it is simply a matter that you and I have very different opinions about what constitutes either customer service or "handholding" -- tomato, tomahto.

To say that there is "no evidence" to support what I said is simply untrue. It took 7 months and 3 separate efforts on my part to have my order confirmed. Is that part of the handholding process? If Erik refunds my money within the next 30 days from my original request, I'll be very surprised.

I'll tell you what, if he actually does it, I'd be happy to report back on how conscientiously he performed and give him the props that he would be due. I'd be more than happy to be the one who is shown to be wrong in this matter, and I'll properly and publicly, and without reservation, give him credit where it's due. I will apologize for harboring these doubts.

You're right that ET has not shown us the goods, but at this point, I am content to wait and see how it all plays out before putting money on any of these options. My lenses aren't going anywhere!

(they're especially not going on my RED any time soon, sadly!)
 
OK. Not trying to start a fight.

Going back to my solvent fumes now. :biggrin: (see post on other thread)
 
Erik has gotten MUCH better with communication and customer service. He is growing as a person and as a businessman.

I have faith in him and his product.

-Thor
 
Well,

I bought a KMuse Canon FD mount because Kevin did a tremendous effort to make it available as soon as we received the first cameras.

I also have a Nikon mount i bought from Doug which is also great, and i can say in all honesty that the KMuse Canon FD mount is no problem and no danger for the RED. Never had a problem.

As i understand things, a Canon FD mount can't be installed in front of the adjustable RED PL mount because the distance between a FD lense and the sensor is shorter than other lenses, so you'd need an optical adaptor (bad image quality) to ..so i am surprised it is not listed...

thanks Kevin!
I really appreciate your efforts to make the still lenses affordable to us as soon as we received our cameras.

Antoine
 
Birger has a lot of experience exactly in the field that is required to build electronic mount with remote control.
Especially the possibility to compensate for still lenses problems via electronic compensation is the killer. It turns your $800 lenses in to $20,000 one.

Engineers are known to have bad communication skills and if you want to get in to the bad relationship with your clients let your engineers to talk to them.
Result guarantied.

ET has good set of products, but it may take long time before we will see something near the functionality of Birger mount. Plus Birger mount is already there, we just had bad luck with first 3 of them. Too bad that he didn’t send the first one to me for testing.
 
All I want is a Canon mount that lets me adjust the aperture. I don't need electronic focus or zoom etc. I think it's great that he is trying to implement all those features, but aperture adjustment is the most important to me.
 
And what you do when you change the DOF and your subject in the background will grow like a mushroom after rain?

Remember Canon lenses are still photo lenses so some are breathing like a dragon.

Electronic circuitry can zoom in a bit or zoom out to automatically compensate for the breathing.

You can store profile of the lenses in the Birger mount and as soon as you install a new lens, the smart mount will apply the correction according to the pre defined curve for this particular lens.

I think it is on the Erik's route map as he mentioned it somewhere here.
 
Andrew said:
And what you do when you change the DOF and your subject in the background will grow like a mushroom after rain?

Remember Canon lenses are still photo lenses so some are breathing like a dragon.

Electronic circuitry can zoom in a bit or zoom out to automatically compensate for the breathing.

You can store profile of the lenses in the Birger mount and as soon as you install a new lens, the smart mount will apply the correction according to the pre defined curve for this particular lens.

I think it is on the Erik's route map as he mentioned it somewhere here.
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How and why would I change the DOF during a shot? Not sure I understand. If you are saying that when you pull focus it breathes, that I can understand would be a problem. I met with Erik at NAB and we used my 16-35 on his mount and it looked great, but we didn't put it through the tests you are referring too. My use for my Canon lenses on RED would be for personal work and I always thought I would go with rented PL lenses on a normal budget shoot.

I am a bit skeptical that they can program a mount to compensate for so many optical idiosyncrasies, if they can - great for us all.

And my request for only an aperture control was only to have a simple working solution now instead of months down the road.....
 
Well thats the great thing about the birger. It is upgradable in many ways. That is just the beginning what you can do with it...
 
Thor Wixom said:
Jim seems happy.

Jarred seems happy.

Erik seems happy.

I'm happy.

-Thor
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post of the week.. above all that < seems > part.. :) or the third line then.. :huh:
 
Steve Sanacore said:
How and why would I change the DOF during a shot? Not sure I understand. If you are saying that when you pull focus it breathes, that I can understand would be a problem. I met with Erik at NAB and we used my 16-35 on his mount and it looked great, but we didn't put it through the tests you are referring too. My use for my Canon lenses on RED would be for personal work and I always thought I would go with rented PL lenses on a normal budget shoot.

I am a bit skeptical that they can program a mount to compensate for so many optical idiosyncrasies, if they can - great for us all.

And my request for only an aperture control was only to have a simple working solution now instead of months down the road.....
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Yes, I refer to breathing when you pull focus.

Still camera lenses are not optimised for breathing, that is understandable since when you change the focal plane from one object to another you are not recording the movie.

Once you set the focal plane for still photography you don't move it till you take the single picture.

With RED you are shooting many pictures per second so when you have to jump from one object in far focal plane to the other object in your frame, closer to the camera, the picture in the background expands on most lenses, except of some very expensive cine lenses and this ones are not perfect anyway.

The way to avoid this expansion of the objects while changing focus, is to zoom out a bit when changing the focal plane like this. You can pre program it on Birger mount right now for particular shot, and by pressing two buttons, one for pre-programmed change of focus and the second for pre programmed change of zoom you can cancel breathing completely. This programming will work now only with particular shot using dynamic ramp slope programming on Birger mount.

In the future Erik said he will try to set the internal table or he could make it user programmable one in simplest form, so once you select the lenses that you want to install on the mount for the shot and you start changing the focus, the Birger mount will automatically change the zoom a bit to compensate for the breathing.

Basically you will not have any breathing at all, zero!

Only top end cine lenses like 20K+ do not have (almost) any breathing.
 
Still didn't give up an idea about putting IMS Canon EF adapter and Birger EF together.

Just to have opportunity to swap lenses easy between PL and Canon EF in a couple of seconds.

birger2.jpg

Birger's Canon EF mount

18382_Canon-EF-Mount.jpg

P+S Technik's IMS Canon EF dumb mount.
 
The Third Man said:
Still didn't give up an idea about putting IMS Canon EF adapter and Birger EF together.

Just to have opportunity to swap lenses easy between PL and Canon EF in a couple of seconds.
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That's great and all, but it will almost certainly require a hardware modification, so please... wait till he ships me my mount, knob and Bluetooth remote.
 
AKABAKA said:
That's great and all, but it will almost certainly require a hardware modification, so please... wait till he ships me my mount, knob and Bluetooth remote.
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Amen, brother. These mounts needed to ship months ago. Another modification would be unbearable. Maybe Erik could offer a P+S upgrade down the line.
 
here..

The Third Man said:
Still didn't give up an idea about putting IMS Canon EF adapter and Birger EF together.

Just to have opportunity to swap lenses easy between PL and Canon EF in a couple of seconds.
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we are not only 50% with you.. beyond 51%.. 100% indeed.


The Third Man said:
birger2.jpg

Birger's Canon EF mount

18382_Canon-EF-Mount.jpg

P+S Technik's IMS Canon EF dumb mount.
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