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Canon EOS C70

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Canon EOS C70

By Newsshooter


Artcle
https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/09/24/canon-eos-c70/



Canon Introduces the EOS C70: Hybridization Between R5 and C300 Mark III


By YOSSY MENDELOVICH for Y.M.Cinema

Article

https://ymcinema.com/2020/09/24/can...0-hybridization-between-r5-and-c300-mark-iii/

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Canon EOS C70 - In-Depth Review & Test Footage


By CVP



Chapters:

Intro - 00:00
Context - 00:40
Creative Tests - 01:50
Physical - 04:38
Front - 04:39
Top - 09:48
Bottom - 10:48
Left - 11:35
Right - 12:28
Back - 12:51
Tech Specs - 14:36
Sensor - 14:37
ND Filters - 16:19
Autofocus - 17:30
Codecs & Formats - 18:54
Slow Motion - 20:00
Proxies - 20:42
Media - 21:53
Vertical Shooting - 22:34
IBIS - 23:42
Overheating - 24:26
Colour Modes - 25:34
Audio - 26:20
Pre-Record - 27:42
Menu Home Screen - 28:04
Auto ISO / Gain - 29:36
Exposure Assists - 30:26
Monitoring Assists - 31:13
Assignable Buttons & Dial Edits - 33:07
ABB - 33:44
My Menu - 35:02
Controlled Tests - 35:21
Under Exposure - 35:32
Over Exposure - 36:41
DGO - 37:22
ISO - 38:14
Aliasing - 38:47
Outro - 39:04


Canon EOS C70 Announced – Bridging Cinema and Mirrorless Lines

By CineD













 
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Looking really cool, the form factor every dslr should have when they are intended for film. With internal ND, a grip, full hdmi, buttons...
I guess I'd want a better codec like prores to make it more appealing for productions
 
It looks great. However, in this current 6k , 8k and 12k camera landscape, you would have thought that for $5,499 that they would have chosen at least 6k and also included internal Raw recording capabilities.
 
I mean look at the venice. If you want to record raw you need the extra module to record raw and that all is in the 70k range. at 5499, 4k 10bit 422 with 16(i use that term lightly)stops of latitude, with built in ND and audio solutions, thats pretty damn bad ass. Ive been shooting alot with the 4k 10bit xfavc on the 500ii and you can do a lot with that codec. its not like a super low bitrate 8 bit 420 codec. And you can do it up 120 in 4k. thats not too damn bad at all. I think it has a ton of things going for it for its price.
 
That it isn't an R5 that doesn't overheat (and maybe has a few more fps options), is frustrating to me. I like almost everything about it otherwise...

But s35 4k-only baked codec, when there's an 8k raw FF35 camera available for 2/3rds the price? C'mon, like tell me the extra room of that body wouldn't be able to easily mitigate any heat problems of the R5 while still adding all the c70 bells and whistles? It's just kinda frustrating.

Can it do 4k raw externally?
 
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Domenic Barbero said:
I mean look at the venice. If you want to record raw you need the extra module to record raw and that all is in the 70k range. at 5499, 4k 10bit 422 with 16(i use that term lightly)stops of latitude, with built in ND and audio solutions, thats pretty damn bad ass. Ive been shooting alot with the 4k 10bit xfavc on the 500ii and you can do a lot with that codec. its not like a super low bitrate 8 bit 420 codec. And you can do it up 120 in 4k. thats not too damn bad at all. I think it has a ton of things going for it for its price.
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Yeah that would be great if they didn't have an Full-Frame EOS R5 that's capable of recording in 8K Raw, albeit with limited recording times. This is Super35 4K Non- Raw recording capable camera. If this had been Full-Frame, 6K or 8k , with 16-Stops of Dynamic Range, with Raw recording capabilities , plus the included and well-known Auto focusing capabilities of Canon this would be phenomenal !
 
As I posted on the Komodo Facebook group: If I could have Komodo's 6K Red RAW (and IPP2), Global Shutter, SDI and Red Control wireless capability, all in the C70 package with Canon's Autofocus, built in ND, I'd spend $10K on THAT camera.
 
Andy Roberts said:
As I posted on the Komodo Facebook group: If I could have Komodo's 6K Red RAW (and IPP2), Global Shutter, SDI and Red Control wireless capability, all in the C70 package with Canon's Autofocus, built in ND, I'd spend $10K on THAT camera.
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That would be a great camera and well worth a $10K price tag!
 
Andy Roberts said:
As I posted on the Komodo Facebook group: If I could have Komodo's 6K Red RAW (and IPP2), Global Shutter, SDI and Red Control wireless capability, all in the C70 package with Canon's Autofocus, built in ND, I'd spend $10K on THAT camera.
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Exactly, down for that. Waiting on blackmagic to answer.
 
rand thompson said:
Mike,

You beat me to it.
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Great minds think alike!

I'm sure a lot of people are thinking the same thing (re: R5 in a c70 body with no record limit). Is there another (realistic/reasonable) reason they wouldn't have done it, other than the protect their more expensive (not necessarily higher-end) cameras? In Canon's defence, every manufacturer does it, including RED (or was there another reason they limited Dragon-X to 5k-only for over a year?).

Thibault_Menu said:
Exactly, down for that. Waiting on blackmagic to answer.
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LOL! This isn't even an exaggeration. FF35 Pocket 8k is gonna be so dope... Lets just hope they add AF (personally I'd prefer that to global shutter.)
 
Well, this certainly puts pressure on Komodo! And Sony and Blackmagic and Panasonic...

- Internal ND
- 4 channel audio (2x XLRs with phantom, 2x line inputs)
- 120fps from full sensor.
- excellent dynamic range (especially at 60fps and under) and low light
- excellent autofocus
- no raw (but they have stated they might add it afterwards if there is demand... I bet they will add it, they just didn't add it at launch to avoid pissing off C200 owners EVEN MORE)

I don't really care that it's not 6K. 0.1% of work needs 6K acquisition... and that 0.1% would have the budget for me to rent anyway.

I don't really care too much that it's not raw either. My DPs know how to white balance. I think that the quality of this image will surpass Komodo because the sensor has better dynamic range. If forced to choose between Komodo's raw with lower dynamic range vs a high quality log signal with good color, I'll take the log, thank you.

Of course I would like a vertically-larger sensor so I could get full anamorphic coverage.

Since this is the C70, that does leave space for a full-frame C90 - and it'll have 6K for all the weirdos who demand that too :)

Mike P. said:
I'm sure a lot of people are thinking the same thing (re: R5 in a c70 body with no record limit). Is there another (realistic/reasonable) reason they wouldn't have done it, other than the protect their more expensive (not necessarily higher-end) cameras?
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Yes, R5's dynamic range isn't as good as this dual gain sensor.
And the 120fps would be lower quality because it would be binned.
Look at the dynamic range tests done by cined comparing C300 mk3 4k image to R5 8k raw - C300 mk3 sensor is simply better.

Bruce Allen
www.bruceallen.tv
 
Great minds think alike!

I'm sure a lot of people are thinking the same thing (re: R5 in a c70 body with no record limit). Is there another (realistic/reasonable) reason they wouldn't have done it, other than the protect their more expensive (not necessarily higher-end) cameras?
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Mike,

Ain't that the truth!


Canon EOS C70 - Kim Churchill Behind the Scenes



By Tall Story Films





Canon Cinema EOS C70 In Action | Kim Churchill Live Performance


By
Canon Australia


 
Sure, it'd be nice if it recorded internal RAW, were full frame 8k, had a viewfinder, etc. etc. etc.

But I think if you travel for journalistic or documentary work, this has to be a pretty serious contender. Everything you need from an FS7 or C300, more or less, but it fits in a shoulder bag with two zoom lenses and your wireless lav kit.
 
This camera is positioned likely outside of the realm for most of us, but Canon deserves a few handshakes for exploring this form factor with the features it's including.

A couple personal thoughts, and full disclosure I got to peek at this thing a couple weeks ago when it was doing the rounds out here, if this proves to be a popular solution Canon will explore more "bigger" concepts in this form factor. Of course likely using different media to get there.

I had a very similar reaction to the BMD PCC6K and the Canon C70 in regards to general form factor. It is indeed impressive how much Canon crammed into that tiny body. It's somewhat hard to imagine adding a single other button or port on there. I do like the move back to Mini-XLR, but that is a talking point to those who loathe them or those who think that might be a suitable trend in small cameras.

There are quirks, some of which CVP highlights, but beyond that I see where this fits in the world. And the autofocus is solid.

I think the most important thing for Komodo owners to think about here is now Canon is supporting a world of cinema RF, so this will benefit both worlds. Especially if we so more designed-for-motion RF lenses.

For me, yes, RAW is a desire and it would be a spicy day if they went 5K or 5.9K with this thing. But it's clear they are making a small and nimble camera when it comes to workflow as well.

Interesting times we're in. This will likely be positioned against the Sony FX6 when that drops. And I can't see Sony screwing over FX9 owners. But as to just where it all lands, we'll see.

I suspect for the big C and S that 2021 is their 8K year for higher end systems. Canon's been there for a hot minute. Sony almost jumped in, but they've held a bit. For me we are in the crazy time where we need tools for 4K and 8K one way or another.

One thing is for sure, the sub $15K world had it's moment and the sub $10K camera market is apparently the Q3/Q4 2020 focus. I haven't been overall unhappy with any of the cameras announced this year. Only a few head scratchers and obvious omissions of certain features. But all "fit somewhere".
 
I loved the dynamic range of the C300 MkIII’s DGO sensor, but hated the size and form factor. For me the need for raw is largely mitigated with this type of sensor. The codecs should be pretty easy to work with and the workflow should be pretty livable. Built in NDs is a major plus. I’m really liking what I see here... so much so that I preordered one. The booster looks like an amazing add on, but was unavailable when I placed my order. I think Canon has a winner here.
 
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