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CAMP RED - AUGUST

I agree with Anthony on this one. It's unfortunately our times : kids are treated like kings, or even gods, they're so clever and beautiful, it's normal because they're like their parents... Filmmaking isn't just using tools, camera, softs, etc, even the best ones. It's about having a vision, a style, something to say, something to refer to. If you really want to teach something to a kid, buy him books and go with him to the museums. It's cheaper and you won't get spoiled children at the end. Things are getting interesting only after 18 in fact ;-) Even if Spielberg started young, well, sure he's a money-maker, but he doesn't impress at cinephiles and educated people in that field. I mean, the right ones ;-) But that's probably the difference between old Europe and America.
 
Kristin Stewart said:
Spielberg started young, well, sure he's a money-maker, but he doesn't impress at cinephiles and educated people in that field. I mean, the right ones ;-) But that's probably the difference between old Europe and America.
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Spielberg actually starting filmaking when he was 8.. his first "real" short he released when he was 12 years old... and charged people to see it. By 14, he made 2 more movies, including a 40 minute war saga with visual effects. He made a 140 minute feature by 16.
 
Kristin Stewart said:
If you really want to teach something to a kid, buy him books and go with him to the museums.
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Strongly agree with this. And buy them some Lego :-)
Then, if you can spend more money, send them travelling, if they're interested and curious.
Personally I don't get the point of "Camp Red", but if those kids are going to have fun (as I'm sure they will) and learn about a camera and some filmmaking, then good for them and for their parents.


Art Chong said:
The guys who said "I don't want to care about the camera" or some other such non-sense just plain don't get it. They're in the wrong major, frankly. It's like saying you want to be a surgeon but skip anatomy lessons. It's stupid and can only produce bad results.
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Art, I understand what you're sayinh, but having a class solely focused on a camera could be seen as teaching about using a scalpel without an anatomy lesson before..
 
Francesco Bonomo said:
Strongly agree with this. And buy them some Lego :-)
Then, if you can spend more money, send them travelling, if they're interested and curious.
Personally I don't get the point of "Camp Red", but if those kids are going to have fun (as I'm sure they will) and learn about a camera and some filmmaking, then good for them and for their parents.
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I don't think ANYONE with or without children would argue or disagree with the fact of the value of educating your children with for example visits to the museum or reading books. But taking your kids to RED-CAMP doesn't automatically exclude these children from reading books, nor visits to the museum. I'm sorry, but these arguments are utterly pointless. Comments like this just come off as unnecessarily negative and as obvious "forum-trolling".

I personally can't see ANYTHING negative about this wonderful project that RED is establishing here.

..."Buy them some LEGO"...well, SCARLET and EPIC are modular - almost like LEGO. Kids will LOVE this!! :)
 
Nuka Wølk said:
Comments like this just come off as unnecessarily negative and as obvious "forum-trolling".
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Nuka, I respect your opinion while not agreeing with it. Why can't you do the same with someone who's merely expressing their opinion? Just because I (and others) don't start jumping around saying this is absolutely amazing, great and so on, it doesn't mean it's "trolling" or that it's a terrible idea.
 
Brice Ansel said:
Wich troll are you talking about?
Kristin Stewart Join Date: Dec 2006

Correct.

Please don't be rude with others opinion!
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Sorry, that generalizing postulative statement was just a tad too outrageous. Even Francois Truffaut would agree with me ;)
 
Brice Ansel said:
F Truffaut did some good movies, but I'm desagree with him then.
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That's fine. You have every right to ;)

Brice, I must admit though, I don't see how my period of membership should have any effect on my comments. Nor does it intimidate me that you point that out. It's an open forum. Now, that's please leave it at that and concentrate on the theme of this thread. Have a nice day ;)
 
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Francesco Bonomo said:
Nuka, I respect your opinion while not agreeing with it. Why can't you do the same with someone who's merely expressing their opinion? Just because I (and others) don't start jumping around saying this is absolutely amazing, great and so on, it doesn't mean it's "trolling" or that it's a terrible idea.
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Sorry. It just seemed to me that it was unnecessary to state the obvious as an argument opposed to having your kids go to Camp RED - and I'm sorry if I misread your "lego-comment" as sarcasm. "Not getting" the point of Camp Red doesn't mean that it's any less educational than playing with LEGO. I understand that you appreciate the level of fun that the children can get out of this, but I personally really think that there possibly much more to it than that. To me as a parent, the idea of Camp Red is a thrilling one. I'd love to have my daughter visit Camp Red at some point - I bet she'd love it and at the same time learn something. Yes, there are so many other alternatives for children to learn something valuable, I agree - and I bet no one would oppose to that, me included. But nevertheless, Camp Red seems to me as a really good initiative, and I congratulate Red for that. It's not like they are stating that visiting the museums or reading books is a waste of your childrens hungry minds now that RED CAMP is on - it just is, what it is, and hopefully some will appreciate it - and perhaps you will too when they uncover more about the project ;)
 
Nuka Wølk said:
Sorry.
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No problem, man. As long as we peacefully agree to disagree, everything's cool :-)

"Not getting" the point of Camp Red doesn't mean that it's any less educational than playing with LEGO. I understand that you appreciate the level of fun that the children can get out of this, but I personally really think that there possibly much more to it than that.
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Absolutely. The program seems indeed interesting from what I see on the Red website, and it's surely not just about the camera itself. Nor am I saying that it's going to be useless, actually I think it'd be better than most "traditional" summer camps. If even just 1 kid out of 50 who goes there ends up falling in love with filmmaking and becomes a great director/dp/producer/etc years later, then how could I be against it?
The only "doubt" (for lack of a better word) I personally see, other than it being obviously very Red-centric, is the age-range: 9-15 seems very very broad, and frankly it would've made more sense to me if it was in the 14-19 range, but that's just a personal and disputable opinion.
 
I've been DIEING to find a good reason to fly to America and visit red. Only problem is, I feel 15 but I'm 21 now... and I live all the way across the other side of the world. I'd love fly over from New Zealand and be a part of this camp. I'd just love to be a volunteer helper. I know I'm taking a big shot in the dark...



Jono
 
Francesco Bonomo said:
9-15 seems very very broad, and frankly it would've made more sense to me if it was in the 14-19 range, but that's just a personal and disputable opinion.
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I think that the kids that'll go to this Camp are kids that are initially interested in some small or large sense of the subject of filmmaking - in most cases, probably something they picked up from their parents or, heck, are one of those fantastic prodigy-kids/mini-mozarts that just fall right into it :) I know, I would under no circumstances EVER force my kid to go, haha! :D So I'd naturally expect a certain level of mature attitude in regards to the program.

Maybe they'll do age appropriate groupings, or not. My feeling is that 9 year olds tend to look up to the older kids, so maybe the age-range isn't a problem at all. I have to say, I'm surprised again and again when I experience how children these days around 8-10y behave, respond and talk and the level of knowledge and wit they carry along. They seem SO much more intellectually evolved than I was back then - or maybe I've just always been exceptionally restricted in that sense, haha ;D 14-19 are perhaps getting within an age group that is too mature for a "Camp"-environment, and perhaps more appropriate for a "Red Film School/Red Academy" (that would be cool!). :)
 
Nuka Wølk said:
That's fine. You have every right to ;)
Brice, I must admit though, I don't see how my period of membership should have any effect on my comments. Nor does it intimidate me that you point that out. It's an open forum.
Now, that's please leave it at that and concentrate on the theme of this thread. Have a nice day ;)
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Huum, I think you missed my point here.
I wasn't intend to intimidate you.
Some User deserve more developed argument than just the "BS" word.
If you have read some Kristin post you should know that :)
What ever, enjoy your journey man.
 
Jarred Land said:
heh heh heh... I have a half-pipe in my front yard that hangs over top of a hundred foot cliff.. and Coyotes that circle the house looking for food around the clock. Not to mention my crazy hollywood neighbors that are scarier than both of those put together.

Im pretty sure we would lose our insurance forever if any of your kids took two steps down my driveway :)
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These are Cajun kids Jarred...they wrestle alligators for breakfast.
 
Camp RED sounds really cool, RED team - my 10 year old daughter makes short films with her little friends, but I only let her use my Flip to do it...she has also written several treatments and is working on a script.

And my daughter has a reading disability, so she isn't special or unique (well, except to me, of course...) or particularly gifted in that way -- quite the opposite, I would say--, except that she has access to the tools and support to do these things, because I'm her mom. - it's obvious to me that those impulses to tell stories and craft images, no matter how unformed, abide in all of us. Even in a kid who struggles every day, with conventional learning. So Ted's initiative has some really remarkable potential, I think.

I would love to be involved.

(The main issue that I see, is that parents book their kids' summer programs well in advance, at least around here. And school starts are earlier than when we were young - mileage may vary in California, but I am betting that this won't work with my child's schedule this year.)
 
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