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Birger Lens Mount Reservations

Gary Stone said:
http://www.andylesniak.com/red/
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That site seems to be down for the moment. Google archive seems to suggest that he is working on a dumb mount for the Red - but other commenters here suggest that it has a knob... Guess I have to wait for that site to be up again.

Any info on the warranty situation with RED and this new Canon mount option?

Coming to think of it, these are the Red mount options I know of:

  1. PL Mount (expensive PL lenses; no warranty issue; built-in)
  2. Birger Mount (smart Canon mount; warranty resolved; unknown delivery date)
  3. IMS mount (many mounts; currently voids warranty; shipping)
  4. Doug Underdahls mount (dumb Nikon mount/aperture control; warranty ?; shipping)
  5. RED Nikon mount (dumb Nikon mount; warranty resolved; shipping)
  6. ET mount (unknown; unknown; in development)
  7. Andy Lesniak Mount (Canon dumb? mount; warranty ?; delivery date?)

Shipping today are only the Nikon mount (which only works with Nikon glass) and the IMS. Once/if Birger ships, that will open up more doors, as there are many adapters for Nikon/Contax/... lenses to adapt to Canon EOS. Alas, I know of no deity that can predict the final shipping date of the Birger mount.

But anyone who has invested in Canon or other non-Nikon glass in anticipation of Birger is pretty much screwed. It is either buy some Nikon lenses and wait for Birger to finally, finally ship; or take some risk and go with the more elegant IMS mount.

Gee, I wish this could be quickly resolved, either by Birger shipping or (arguably preferably) getting the IMS warranty resolved.

Hey, I am starting to sound like Sanjin :)
 
Now, just start posting really big ass pictures of lenses and we won't be able to tell you two apart. :)
 
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Here's my Minoltix Microlux Optimax Blix 4mm f0.65 lens. As soon as the IMS situation is rectified, I'll post field tests ;)
 
I've been hoping beyond hope for a long time that something would happen here, and now my camera is about to ship. It looks like I've got to go with the RED 18-50 after all. Which I don't mind, but it's a pretty penny compared to what could have been here, for a one-man show like myself.
 
Just a clarification:

I believe that Doug Underdahl makes the RED Nikon mounts. There is no warranty issue with his aperture controlling Nikon mount, as it works exactly the same way as his original dumb Nikon mount. I suspect that the original RED Nikon mount will be replaced in time with the DX mount Doug now offers as an add-on extra.

It would seem to me that people waiting for the Canon Birger should just go ahead and buy the dumb Nikon mount, because Nikon glass will fit on the Birger/Canon mount with the addition of an adapter. Not all Nikon glass will work with the electronic focus unit, of course, but all Nikon glass will certainly work on the Birger/Canon if electronic focus control isn't an issue.

Thank God for Doug Underdahl and his mounts. If it wasn't for him, I'd be using a pinhole RED. He gave us a 35mm solution for the RED that works perfectly and is available now (and has been available for over four months now). No one else has been able to do so for anything close to that sort of money—and without voiding the RED's warranty.

I just wish he'd start to work on a Nikon smart mount now.

:-)

Stephen
 
No, it would increase the FFD too much. It would work the other way around however. (Nikon adapter on a canon mount).
 
Karlgustav is correct. It only goes one way. . . Nikon lens>Nikon-to-Canon adapter>Canon mount.

The P+S IMS system, of course, is practically universal, although there are currently warranty issues with that solution. I, personally, am very much interested in the IMS mount, but not until my warranty expires or until the warranty issues are satisfactorily resolved.

Unless someone else is racing to the front that I am not aware of, Mr. Leisak and Birger Engineering are the only hopes for electronic control of Canon EOS lenses. I wish them both success. It just may be possible that the market for electronically-controlled focus and aperture devices for the RED (for 35mm still lenses) may prove to be large enough for them both to do very well.

Stephen
 
Stephen Pruitt said:
It would seem to me that people waiting for the Canon Birger should just go ahead and buy the dumb Nikon mount, because Nikon glass will fit on the Birger/Canon mount with the addition of an adapter. Not all Nikon glass will work with the electronic focus unit, of course, but all Nikon glass will certainly work on the Birger/Canon if electronic focus control isn't an issue.
Stephen
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This is exactly what I have done, 2 weeks ago i never ever even touched a nikon, I was canon through and through but this mount dilemma has sent me this way,
And its fine, like you say i can use my new nikons (got 5 now) on my Eos body in aperture priority (which is how i shoot anyway - if i go auto)
then when cheese Birgir, IMS etc come out I can use my Canon lenses (problem is ive sold them all now HAHA - they were crap anyway:tongue: )

Nikon is so much more flexible than the Canon route.
Now for IMS im looking forward to using my FD's and if i need to rent cine glass, its a simple swap!!!!
Just my 2 shillings


oh btw I cancelled my birgir order - it feels liberating now even more since i got a tracking number from RED WOOHooo
 
I don't want to buy Nikon lenses as well. Tight budget. Correction. No budget. :(

I wonder what Erik's customer service will be like after we get the mounts and it needs fixing. Anyone work with Erik before? I know he does other stuff and I've heard good things.
 
Mizael said:
Nikon is so much more flexible than the Canon route.
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Have to disagree here; you can get several (e.g. Nikon, Contax) adapters for the Canon, but not to Nikon.

bthomas said:
someone should make 'i believe in birger' tshirts.
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They lose their value by the hour...
 
Martin is correct in that the Nikon MOUNT is not as flexible as a Canon MOUNT, but the fact remains that Nikon GLASS is more flexible than Canon GLASS, as you can always go from Nikon glass to a Canon mount, but not the reverse. Hence, Nikon glass is, by definition, inherently more flexible than Canon glass. Stated another way, it is not possible to make a standard Canon mount that a Nikon lens cannot be easily adapted to fit into. Conversely, NO adapter will allow a Canon lens to work on a Nikon-based camera due to the considerable focal length distances between the two formats.

Personal preferences and optical qualities aside (and I honestly believe that both makers provide extraordinary value in their various lens offerings), Nikon glass is, therefore, by definition, more "flexible" than Canon glass.

That being said, I STILL want a Canon EOS smart mount for my RED!

Stephen
 
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